Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: There's no real question, because . . .
Prabhupāda: So why they are so much busy in solving the problems of nationalism?
Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Because they are identifying themselves with their bodies.
Prabhupāda: That means ignorance. Rascals. They are busy with something which is not his business. Then next question will be: then what is his business? If they actually read Bhagavad-gītā, his business is that to find out, "If I am going to change my body, what I am going to be?" Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre (BG 2.20). The body, after being finished, this body, I am not dead; I am going to change another body. So is it not my duty? Just like if I go somewhere, you see how that place, how it will be suitable for me, how I shall live there. Is it not duty? Na hanyate hanyamāne śarīre. I am not going to die. That if I leave this compartment, I'm not going to die; I'll accept another compartment. But shall I not see what kind of compartment will be, whether it is better than this or inferior than this? Is it not my duty? That is my real problem. Or the actual problem is that if I am eternal, why I shall change body now and then? This is my problem. And Kṛṣṇa says that "If anyone does not take up My instruction in the Bhagavad-gītā, then he does not get Me, and the result is that he'll again turn to this change of body, mṛtyu-saṁsāra-vartma . . ." So they are not careful about these things, so what do they understand about Bhagavad-gītā?
The real problem they do not touch. And the body will change, and he'll live in India or in America, say, for fifty years. He's busy. That is cats, just like these cats and dogs at night. Nobody has given him charge, but he is thinking, "I am in charge of this road. Why this put-put motorcar, you have come here? Go on. Go on. Gow! Gow! Gow! Gow!" But who has given him charge? But he's starving, and people are throwing stone upon him, but he's thinking, "I am in charge of this business. Why at night this car has come?" Dog mentality. Is it not exactly like the dog? He's disturbing all others—"Gow, gow! Gow, gow, gow!"—but he's thinking that, "I am in charge." Is it not dog dancing, these politicians, politics? Who cares for you? Gandhi was there, he has gone. Does it mean the world activities stop? Churchill was there. He has gone. Hitler was there. They are coming and going like so many insects. Napoleon was there. Who cares for them? We are licking up their so-called activities, "Oh, Napoleon was so great. Gandhi was so great." And what he has done? The dog dancing. Who can understand that, unless one is Kṛṣṇa conscious? What he has done actually? Has he stopped death? No. Population, birth, sterilization . . . will they be able to stop it? Simply manufacturing concoction and jumping like cats and dogs. That's all. And if you say the real thing, mūrkhāṇāṁ upadeṣo hi prakopāya na śāntaye (Cāṇakya Paṇḍita), they'll become angry.