Prabhupāda: Yes.
Devotee: Does it?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Devotee: Then isn't that . . . aren't they bad?
Prabhupāda: But that frustration has no disappointment. (laughter) That is the beauty. Just like Lord Caitanya is manifesting that spiritual frustration, "O Kṛṣṇa, I could not see You." He's jumping on the sea in frustration. But that frustration is the highest perfection of love. Yes. Everything is there—but without inebriety. You are very intelligent boy. I thank you. Yes. Yes. There is frustration, but not this frustration. Yes. That frustration, I mean to say, enriches one's eagerness of love for Kṛṣṇa. Everything is there, but without inebriety. Everything is there. Yes.
Now see Viṣṇu? Of course, in Vaikuṇṭha-jagat there is no violence. But Viṣṇu is taking the symbol of violence. Otherwise, what is the meaning of this disc and club? So when He wants to be violent, He comes here as nṛsiṁha-mūrti. (laughter) And He sends some of His devotees to play violence. That is Hiraṇyakaśipu. Because there the devotees are so much in accord with Kṛṣṇa and Viṣṇu that there is no question of disagreement. But violence is when this disagreement, atheist.
Therefore sometimes a devotee is deputed in this world to play as atheist, and Kṛṣṇa comes to kill him, to teach these people that, "If you become atheist, then here is disc and club for you." But it is not possible to be displayed in the Vaikuṇṭha. But the . . . otherwise, if there is no the propensity of violence . . . just like there is sometimes mock fight. A father is fighting in mock with the small child, and he has become defeated. But there is pleasure. So ānanda-mayo 'bhyāsāt (Vedānta-sūtra 1.1.12).
The Lord is joyful. So there is joy in fighting also sometimes.
So your question that everything is there, that is a fact. Everything is there. Otherwise if everything is not there, they cannot be manifested here, because it is reflection. Just like in . . . of course, this discovery is by the Vaiṣṇava, Gauḍīya Vaiṣṇava. Just like the love between Rādhā and Kṛṣṇa, it is called parakīya. They are not married husband and wife. But Rādhārāṇī appears to be wife of some other gentleman. But Kṛṣṇa, from childhood, They were friends. So Radhārāṇī could not forget Kṛṣṇa. She used to come to Kṛṣṇa and stand like that. That's all. And He was playing. Kiśora-Kiśorī, They were boy and girl. But there is no inebriety.
Just like here the boy and girls mix and there are so many abominable things, distressful, which is binding their material bondage. So that friendship between boy and girl is there, but without inebriety. Kṛṣṇa had so many gopīs, girlfriend, but there was no contraceptive pills. (laughter) That is the beauty. Here, the so-called love is lust. And there, that is the highest.
The same thing—obverted, perverted reflection. Just like in the original tree the topmost part has come down to the down. Similarly, in the spiritual world the highest, topmost level of love, parakīya . . . parakīya means love not by marriage life; by friendship. That is there. But there is no such inebriety. It is pure.
So perverted means the topmost thing has come down to the lowest. Here, this parakīya, loving other's wife or other's husband, is most abominable, adultery—not allowed by society, not allowed by the state. But tendency is there. Even one is married, he wants to love another's wife. Or if the girl married (s)he wants to love another husband. Why? That is there. But without inebriety. That is the beauty.
So everything is there, but here, that thing is reflected, pervertedly. Therefore misunderstood. There is so many other corollaries. You see? But you must know everything, that without being in the Absolute Truth there cannot be relative manifestation. This world is relative manifestation. So these things are not to be understood in the beginning, but as the questions came, we discussed something.
But you must know, as the Vedānta-sūtra says, janmādy asya yataḥ. Everything is emanated from that Absolute Truth. That is the fountainhead of everything. We cannot manufacture anything. It is not possible. But this is shadow and that is reality. And in the shadow . . . just like photograph. You find that everything in detail of your beautiful face in the photograph, but that is not reality. That's all.
So you'll find everything in details, all . . . or you can understand actual photograph, actual idea, actual notion of the spiritual world by scrutinizingly studying this material world. The impersonalists, they think that in the material varieties there are so many abominable inebrieties, therefore in the spiritual world all these things should be minus, void. That is their material calculation. They cannot think that in the spiritual world also there is love. Because here, in this world, the so-called love or lust is frustrated and followed by so many calamities that therefore they cannot conceive that in the spiritual world also there is love.