Prabhupāda: Yes. These places also should be allowed to the people who are overpopulated. No visa, no immigration. The whole world is simply mismanaged for want of Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Pramattaḥ. The word used, pramattaḥ, mad. Nūnaṁ pramattaḥ kurute vikarma (SB 5.5.4): "All people mad and engaged in misdeeds only for sense gratification." (break) . . .this room?
Ravīndra-svarūpa: I don't know, Śrīla Prabhupāda. Now it is just used for garbage. (break)
Prabhupāda: . . .all like this, jungle?
Ravīndra-svarūpa: Yes, all along this creek there's a forest like this. This has been done in Philadelphia all along the river, and this huge area of land has been set aside. It's like this. No one can use it except to take walks. (break)
Svarūpa Dāmodara: The question that I wrote to Śrīla Prabhupāda, the answer that Śrīla Prabhupāda gave me was that the cells in the body and the jīvātmā that resides in the heart, they are different living entities. But my understanding was directed to the relationship between the two, the jīvātmā in the cells and the jīvātmā in the heart, how they are related, how they. . .
Prabhupāda: They are separate identity.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: But it looks like, though, in the material body the one cannot exist without another. They look like interdependent.
Prabhupāda: That may be, but still, they are individual.
Ravīndra-svarūpa: When the jīva in the heart dies, then all the other cells in the body also have to die.
Prabhupāda: No.
Ravīndra-svarūpa: No, they don't. But when the body decays, doesn't everything. . .
Prabhupāda: No. Dead body, so many germs come out.
Ravīndra-svarūpa: Oh.
Prabhupāda: How it comes?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: But that is different, though. When a body dies, then there are many germs from outside that. . .
Prabhupāda: Living entities within the body, they come out, hundreds and thousands. They have not died. Suppose in this jungle there are so many living entities. If I die, what has got to do with them?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: But science tries to understand what is life, and in order to do that they just want to understand what is cell. Because science tries to understand what is life, but in order to do that they just want to study what is the cell, because cells are the smallest living units of life. That is their understanding. So once they understand what a cell is, then they know what life is. That is their aim. So if the cells and the jīvātmā within the heart, they are different and they are independent, then they cannot conceive of just having a jīvātmā in the heart.