Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: They have not even read carefully the First Canto Bhāgavatam and Second. Prabhupāda says in Second Canto, "Look at the lotus feet of the Lord."
Hari-śauri: I was thinking yesterday that must be one of the problems, that these people have not read your earlier books, the earlier cantos of the Bhāgavatam. Because it says, you express quite clearly to avoid the...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: We were lucky because when we joined all that we had were your Bhāgavatams from India, those original Bhāgavatams.
Prabhupāda: (break) ...otherwise...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Otherwise, what shall we do?
Prabhupāda: Otherwise, they are finished.
Rāmeśvara: We should try to save them.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, there are so many devotees involved, over a hundred.
Rāmeśvara: I can't understand who they are.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Fifty of them in Los Angeles.
Rāmeśvara: Do you know? Who knows the names?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa.: Pradyumna. Pradyumna is carrying out a single-handed investigation. Pradyumna has become an investigator. He goes around everywhere (laughs) investigating the sahajiyās. I hope he doesn't become won over.
Prabhupāda: He was.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa:. Yes, I know, that's why he's doing it. He was once like that.
Prabhupāda: He was smārta.
Rāmeśvara: Paṇḍita, you used to call him paṇḍita.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sometimes Prabhupāda would tell him he was a smārta.
Rāmeśvara: He's always carrying an armful of books.
Prabhupāda: Smārta is also counted amongst the sahajiyās.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He was really.... That's another problem, Prabhupāda. All of these boys that take part in this Sanskrit-Bengali translation department, they all become like this, because they read these other books. As soon as they learn Bengali and Sanskrit, they start reading so many books.
Prabhupāda: Āula bāula, kartābhajā, neḍā, daraveśa, sāṅi sahajiyā, sakhībhekī, smārta, jāta-gosāñi. They are all counted in one group.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: One thing I've noticed, Śrīla Prabhupāda, and I see it as a direct link, that most of these people who get involved like this, they're not engaged in active preaching work, and because of it, their mind has time to create these fantasies and get attracted. Someone who's engaged in forcefully preaching...
Rāmeśvara: He has to be more practical.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes. Practical and purified by the activity. Have you noticed that? That these people who are engaged, they're all in the Press, or all day writing, or something like this.
Rāmeśvara: Sometimes sitting and painting.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Sitting and painting. The boy who's going out every day, trying to think of how to get the books out, he won't be.... (conversation in background) You have come to the hellish planets, Śrīla Prabhupāda, to deliver us. That's all there is. It's amazing enough you have made such a gigantic movement, but the fact that you have made it with such mlecchas as us is what is most astounding. It's like building a skyscraper with swabs and straw. Building a big skyscraper with straw and mud.
Rāmeśvara: In the Fifth Canto, you've quoted from Bhaktivinoda Ṭhākura that the most sacred place in the whole universe is Śrī Māyāpur-dhāma.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Rāmeśvara: In all the universe.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In each universe there is a Vṛndāvana and a Māyāpur. That means in each universe there's a planet earth like this planet?
Prabhupāda: Yes. There are so many planets. Each universe full of planets. Koṭiṣu vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam. There are millions of universes, and in each universe there are millions of planets. Koṭiṣu vasudhādi-vibhūti-bhinnam. (end)