Prabhupāda: No, no. Any place where there is no sunshine, that is condemned.
Brahmānanda: In your Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam, you write that the sun purifies a dirty place and also the mind.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Brahmānanda: But we don't rely on the sun for purifying our mind.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Brahmānanda: As devotees, we don't rely on the sun...
Prabhupāda: We have the Kṛṣṇa sun.
Brahmānanda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: What is this, sun? No.
Śrutakīrti: Spinnery.
Prabhupāda: Spinnery. (break) There is no sunshine. It is wet always, just see? Trees also, they have moss.
Brahmānanda: In India the sun is very intense.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Brahmānanda: Does that have something to do that Kṛṣṇa appeared there?
Prabhupāda: Puṇya-bhūmi, pious land. Still, so fallen, whenever there is a question of spiritual meeting, thousands, lakhs, will come. You have seen Kumbha-melā?
Brahmānanda: No.
Prabhupāda: You have seen?
Śrutakīrti: No.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: I've seen pictures.
Prabhupāda: Very poor men, still, they gather, sixty lakhs, without any advertisement.
Brahmānanda: Here you have to advertise to get six hundred.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Or six.
Prabhupāda: And it was so nice to live there, spiritual atmosphere, on the bank of the Ganges and Yamunā. Immediately you go, you become spiritualized. Vṛndāvana is also like that. Therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, bhārata-bhūmite janma haila, manuṣya-janma haila. To get the human form of life born in India, that is a special prerogative. Bhārata-bhumite manuṣya-janma haila yāra (CC Adi 9.41). He is fifty percent-prepared by birth.
Brahmānanda: Just by birth.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And then, by culture, another fifty percent. But they have given up this culture. But the birthright fifty percent is already also there. Prayāga, severest cold, eh, I took bath in the Ganges. It is simply cutting. But still, they are taking bath and smearing over the body the ashes and sit down, chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. No care "Wherefrom food will come? Where...?" No. That's in India still. (break) ...it is also like this, cloudy?
Bhagavān: Just a few months out of the year, January, February.
Prabhupāda: Otherwise how we have gone there? (laughter) Africa was part of India.
Brahmānanda: The land was together?
Prabhupāda: No, there...
Indian man: Geological information it was. It was together. And Australia was fitting in the Bay of Bengal. This is the theory. I learned from my lecturer, Dr. Willinghurst. He told me in my class.
Prabhupāda: Because from Bhāgavata we understand that the black man who was born out of the body of King Vena, he was thief. So he was sent to the African jungle. Yes. And they are still thief. (laughter) They cannot give up their... Although they have got independence, they cannot give up this habit. (Dog barking) "Best friend."
Brahmānanda: Mahārāja Pṛthu also came from the body of King Vena.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Brahmānanda: So he stayed in India, and the other, he went to Africa.
Prabhupāda: No, he was the emperor of the whole world. But the jungle part... Somebody... The whole world was known as Bhāratavarṣa, this planet, nine varṣas: Bhārata-varṣa, Ketumāla-varṣa, Ilāvṛta-varṣa... the whole universal situation is mentioned, where different lands are there. (break)