Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: . . .in the Vaikuṇṭhas, surrounding Nārāyaṇa is Vāsudeva, Saṅkarṣaṇa, Pradyumna and Aniruddha?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So five are present. Pañca-tattva.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, you say that Kṛṣṇa is pūrṇam, the complete whole. So in the material world, if something is very great, even though we may not like it, like people may not like the United States, but still, they have to admit that it is a very great country in comparison to theirs. So in the material world, things which are great, at least we have to admit that to some extent they are great. But Kṛṣṇa is everything. So how is it that people are saying that He's so tiny that He may even be an ordinary man? How can they be so illusioned to think like that? Kṛṣṇa is everything. How can they ignore Him?
Prabhupāda: Illusioned because you do not know what Kṛṣṇa says. That is your fault. Kṛṣṇa says, "You do this," but you do not do that. Kṛṣṇa says, man-manā bhava mad-bhaktaḥ (BG 9.34). Who is doing that? Just take a census, who is thinking of Kṛṣṇa. Hardly you will find one in million. So who is carrying out the order of Kṛṣṇa? Nobody is doing.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: You are. But Śrīla Prabhupāda, how is it that Kṛṣṇa is everything, completely. . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: . . .and still, people completely can ignore Kṛṣṇa.
Prabhupāda: That is. . . Because Kṛṣṇa is everything, his independence is also Kṛṣṇa. The man's independence is also Kṛṣṇa. So he is misusing his independence. Kṛṣṇa says sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekaṁ śaraṇaṁ vraja (BG 18.66). He is using his independence not to do this. Therefore he is suffering. (greeting someone:) Hare Kṛṣṇa. Jaya. (break) . . .says, mattaḥ smṛtir jñānam apohanaṁ ca (BG 15.15): "From Me there is remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness." So why Kṛṣṇa is interested to induce one to forget? Why?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Because they want to.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That independence. So he wants to forget. Kṛṣṇa says, "Yes, you do it at your risk."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And suffer the consequences.
Prabhupāda: Yes.