Prabhupāda: Oh. The Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam says, sa vai puṁsāṁ paro dharmo yato bhaktir adhokṣaje (SB 1.2.6). There are two kinds of religion. One is parā, and one is aparā.
Surendra Kumar: Parā and aparā.
Prabhupāda: Parā means real religion. Yes. Or spiritual. And aparā means material. Generally people are engaged in aparā religion. They go to temple, they go to church . . .
Surendra Kumar: And to mosques.
Prabhupāda: . . . and mosques for some material benefit. Just like these Christians, "O God, give us our daily bread." We also go to temple. So that is aparā. And parā means when there will be no demand.
Surendra Kumar: No demand from God.
Prabhupāda: Simply to love Him. Yato bhaktir adhokṣaje. That is para. Our this line is little difficult, because we are teaching paro dharma.
Surendra Kumar: I have been saying that. That's what I was telling her all the time, we were driving up.
Prabhupāda: And the human form of life, this is the only business. This is the only business. But they do not know. They are after . . . they go to dharma for some material benefit. Dharmasya apavargasya (SB 1.2.9).
Surendra Kumar: My sister says that, "Unless and until God so wishes . . ."
Mrs. Kumar: How to leave this world?
Surendra Kumar: ". . . how to leave this material world?"
Prabhupāda: She'll leave in material . . . Kṛṣṇa says, sarva-dharmān parityajya mām ekam, ahaṁ tvāṁ sarva-pāpebhyo (BG 18.66): "I shall deliver you." God gives you that. God is protecting actually. And without God's protection, you cannot live. But still more if you absolutely depend on Him. This is our organization. Here also duty, depending on Kṛṣṇa. At least ten to fifteen thousand men we are feeding daily. So how it is being done throughout the whole world? And everywhere opulence like this. We are not poverty-stricken. Ye to aap apne aankh se dekh sakte hain. (You can see this with your own eyes.) So simply depending . . . (indistinct Hindi)
Surendra Kumar: (indistinct Hindi) . . . unless we don't want to stay in the . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, this is not same. This is aparā . . . parā. (laughter) This is parā. Yato bhaktir adhokṣaje. Ahaituky apratihatā yenātmā samprasīdati. If you want real peace and happiness, then you have to come to this platform, paro dharma. Material means it has no limit, "I have got so much opulence. I want more. I want more. I want more. I want more." And paro dharma? Svāmin kṛtārtho 'smi varaṁ na yāce (CC Madhya 22.42). "All right, I don't want anything." This is the . . . Iska demand ka limit nahi hai. Aur udhar demand khatam ho gaya. (There is no limit for this demand and on the other hand, all the demand is finished.) . . . (indistinct)
Surendra Kumar: Isse keh rahe the ki humlog ka dhikkar hai jivan ki swamiji ke bhakt bahar se aaye hue hain aur humlog yahan par seva me nahi hai. (I was telling her that, shame to our existence that the devotees of spiritual master have come from foreign countries and we are not in service being here.)
Surendra Kumar: That I have been not following Prabhupāda when so many people have. We must do our duty to do. Because of our slavery, this righteousness and earnestness has gone out of our life. We are not earnest.
Prabhupāda: Anyway . . . (indistinct Hindi) . . . Ye aajkal usko tala band karke rakha hai . . . (It has been under lock and key in the present age.) So this is the first time an attempt to distribute. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu ka yehi mission hai. (This is the mission of Caitanya Mahāprabhu.) Bhārata-bhūmite haila manuṣya-janma yāra sārthaka (CC Adi 9.41). It is special prerogative for the Indians, to distribute this knowledge. That will glorify India's position.