Prabhupāda: If you alone live in this field eternally, that is not bliss. That is punishment. You see? So that is nature. We want ānanda, blissfulness. So therefore those who are arūhya kṛcchreṇa paraṁ padam (SB 10.2.32), after severe austerities, they rise up to the Brahmān effulgence, but on account of his original nature of ānanda, he cannot remain there. He again falls down. "Oh, it was better, family life. What is this nonsense? Eternally sit up in this field? What is this? Let me go to the town and work there." You see? That is your nature. Therefore these impersonalists who want to merge, they can merge, but there they cannot remain. They will again come. These so-called sannyāsīs, they give up everything—brahma satyaṁ jagan mithyā—Vivekananda or this Karpatri. Again they come to these material activities. (break) Somebody takes social work, somebody takes political work. But if it is mithyā, if it is false, why. . .? (break) But they have. . . (break) Again come, open hospital, do political work. They cannot stick up. That is not possible.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: So they are not saved from the greatest danger of falling down. . .
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: . . .into the lower species of life.
Prabhupāda: Yes. They will fall down. Śāstra says. They will fall down. The same example: If I ask you that "You sit down in this vacant land and you live eternally," you will leave this place: "No, no, I don't want this eternity. Let me go to Calcutta." (laughter) (break) . . .perpetually. So that is wanted. The spiritual kingdom is Brahman effulgence, and there are Vaikuṇṭha planets. So if you take shelter of the Vaikuṇṭha planet, then you can stay. And if you take simply the impersonal Brahmān, sky, you cannot stay there. Arūhya kṛcchreṇa patanty adhaḥ (SB 10.2.32). So without varieties, simply impersonal conception of Brahmān will not make you happy.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: The descriptions of Goloka Vṛndāvana, that even the dust is personal. . . So we have experience of personal form. Even Kṛṣṇa's form is personal. How is the dust of Vṛndāvana personal? How is it individual living entity?
Prabhupāda: If you want something from this dust, you cannot get it. That is material. But in Vṛndāvana, even from the dust if you want any. . . he will deliver immediately.