Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: If you can just tell me what you . . . the best way to have a nice scene of Jagāi and Mādhāi.
Prabhupāda: The first scene should be that Nityānanda Prabhu and Haridāsa Ṭhākura. They were ordered by Caitanya Mahāprabhu to go every day to . . . from one neighborhood to another and preach. So one day when they came out they saw at a distant place a crowd. So you have to make scene that a crowded place, and these two brothers, Jagāi and Mādhāi, they have pick-pocketed somebody and . . . because they were debauchers, so there was some howling and crowds. And.
So Nityānanda Prabhu inquired, and people said that, "These two brothers, they're born of a very respectable family, but they have now become debauchers." So Nityānanda Prabhu, "Oh, they are so fallen? So best thing is to convert them first. Then Lord Caitanya's name will be glorious that He has delivered such rascals." So He went there to save.
Then he said: "Who are you?" As soon as they came in, "Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa," chanting, and these brothers said: "Oh, who are you?" "Oh, we are Nityānanda, and he is Haridāsa. We are preaching. You also join with us." So, "Oh, get out here! Hare Kṛṣṇa, your damn Hare Kṛṣṇa. Get out here!" (chuckles) So Haridāsa Ṭhākura was old man, and he was afraid. But Nityānanda was young man, so He fled away. Haridāsa Ṭhākura could not go so swift. He said: "My dear Nityānanda, I think today my life is at risk."
So anyway, then after they were going away, the crowd dispersed and the brothers were talking. So one brother was talking to the other, "Jagāi, I think that these people very nicely sing. Don't you hear?" "Oh! You are going to be a saṅkīrtana man?" "No, no, no! I am not going to be a saṅkīrtana man. Just I am talking about it." So this was their beginning appreciation.
Then next day, again in the same place, Nityānanda came, and He requested, "My dear brothers, you chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." So the Mādhāi . . . no, Jagāi, Jagāi was so angry. They were drinking. So here you drink in bottles; they drink in earthen pot. So there was earthen pot. He hurled against His head, and there was blood oozing out. So the other brother, Mādhāi said: "Oh, what you are doing? What you are doing? This is nonsense."
This news was reached to Caitanya Mahāprabhu. Caitanya Mahāprabhu was very much angry. He came, "Bring My cakra. I shall kill these rascals immediately." He became so angry. So Nityānanda Prabhu implored, "My dear brother, why You are very angry? They are the sample of this age. So if You become angry, then whom We are going to deliver?" You see? "The whole population is full of like Jagāi and Mādhāi.
So our preaching is for the most fallen. Why do You remember . . . why do You forget this? Don't be angry." Then both the brothers, they fell on the feet of Nityānanda, "Please forgive us. We have done wrong. You are so nice people. You are chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa so innocent, and we are so . . ." This is the effect of seeing a pure devotee. Heart becomes soft. This is the association, effect of association. So they surrendered.
So Caitanya Mahāprabhu said: "Yes, I will accept you. I don't care for your past deeds, but you have to agree that no more this nonsense." That means before initiation one might have done all nonsense things; that doesn't matter. That is not disqualification. But after initiation one should not. Then his life is changed immediately by this Hare Kṛṣṇa movement. This is the instruction of Jagāi-Mādhāi.
So there were only two Jagāi-Mādhāis, but you'll meet hundreds of Jagāi-Mādhāis. So . . . but they can be delivered. There is no question that in their past life they had been sinful. Simply they have to agree that, "No more this nonsense." Therefore I have kept these restriction, these four restriction. Anyone who adopts this life and initiated, and follows these restriction, then he begins a new life.