Prabhupāda: Not instantly. I mean to say you have changed your body. Similarly, after giving up this body, you'll change to another body. That's a fact.
Ali: And between those gaps, we are sleeping.
Prabhupāda: There is no gap. The nature's law . . . it is said that just like you are walking, step by step, like this, so when you fix up this step, then you take away this step.
Hari-śauri: Example of a caterpillar, how it moves from one leaf to another.
Prabhupāda: Similarly, when you by nature's law when it is fixed up, you'll have to accept this body, then you give up this body, and immediately enter into the womb of the mother to prepare another, similar body like the mother.
Ali: During this transformation, are we still ignorant? During this transformation from body to body.
Prabhupāda: No, he's not ignorant. This body . . . next body is achieved according to the consciousness. At the time of, if you are thinking of something to which you are very much attached, then you get that similar body. If you are thinking of your pet dog, then you get the dog's body. And if you are thinking of Kṛṣṇa, God, then you'll get the body like Kṛṣṇa. That will be decided at the time of your death. Because at the time of death you'll be absorbed with thinking which you have done throughout the whole life. Sadā tad-bhāva-bhāvitaḥ (BG 8.6). Just like the whole day you are working with some business, at night also dreaming that, subtle body. So you have to train up yourself within this life how to think of Kṛṣṇa. Then there is chance of thinking of Kṛṣṇa at the time of death and go back to home. It is not difficult. Very easy.
Ali: So the ultimate goal is not to come back.
Prabhupāda: No, what is the use of coming here to suffer? Who is happy here? Can you find out anybody who is happy here?
Ali: Not that I've seen.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Ali: Not that I've seen.
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Hari-śauri: Not that he has seen. He's not seen anyone.