Prabhupāda: But simply by dinosaur missing you cannot say that what about other all species of life, other.
Śyāmasundara: Many, many, many, many are extinct, according to...
Prabhupāda: I am accepting many are extinct, but the evolutionary process, it means one extinct, and another comes. But we see that the monkey, from monkey, man comes. The monkey is there and man is there. The monkey is not finished.
Śyāmasundara: Oh, I remember last time when we discussed this, you said, "Well, then, why don't we see men coming out of monkeys still?"
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śyāmasundara: "Why hasn't some man been born out of a monkey?"
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Śyāmasundara: "In our experience..."
Prabhupāda: The monkey is existing, the man is existing.
Śyāmasundara: "So if men came from monkeys, why don't we see it still happening?" That's what you said.
Prabhupāda: Yes. That is our argument.
Śyāmasundara: So if you accept that there is an evolution, do you accept that the bodies change because of changing conditions of the natural surroundings?
Prabhupāda: Body is not changing. The body is already there. The soul is changing bodies, transmigrating from one body to another.
Karandhara: Darwin doesn't accept that there is a fixed number of species. Rather, the number of species may vary at any time, simply according to the natural selection. But he doesn't give any axiom that there are a certain number of species from which all other variations come. We are saying that there are 8,400,000 species to begin with.
Prabhupāda: But if first of all you give account for eight million species—you have no account. We say these are the fixed-up species. But your calculation of species, first of all give us account for eight millions, then you say, "The list is not complete."
Śyāmasundara: Their idea is that there's constant...
Prabhupāda: Whatever it may be, within that eight millions, but you cannot give us list.
Śyāmasundara: They say that there is new species always evolving.
Prabhupāda: That is not new. That is within the eight millions. You could not find the same thing, you could not find, before that; now we are finding. Your species, you could (not) give us a complete list. What is the evolutionary process wherefrom it began and how it's coming? You cannot give any fixed-up list. That is your imperfect knowledge. You are simply imagining. "It may be changed," "It may be chance," or this or that. That's all.
Śyāmasundara: Just like, let's say some condition changes suddenly in an environment...
Prabhupāda: Yes. Any condition changes, but within that eight millions. Because you cannot give us any list, so then you have to accept whatever species of life may take by changes or circumstance with this or that, that will be within the eight millions.