Harikeśa: Associating with you is so wonderful, and yet...
Prabhupāda: Just like here in Vṛndāvana, I was here, as I am sitting here. I was sitting here in this very place. That was (indistinct). And when I was hungry I could take my food there, same place. So that is one thing. Just like there are many persons, but because my spiritual master wanted, so I, at seventy years old, when I thought, "Now I shall go," I went, to serve the order of my spiritual master. Otherwise I am sitting here in Vṛndāvana. I am old man, I was chanting. Therefore, because that is my first business.
Harikeśa: Were you just waiting to finish your books?
Prabhupāda: Yes. I was just creating the situation how I shall serve my spiritual master.
Harikeśa: Oh.
Prabhupāda: Not that I was trying to directly contact Kṛṣṇa. That was not my business. This is required. If anyone wants to contact directly Kṛṣṇa, that is not possible. (break)
Guru dāsa: If there is a devotees who are not yet purified, if the devotee is not yet purified, why is the temple president a representative of you? If we are not at the purified stage, then why is the temple president a representative of yourself?
Prabhupāda: To carry his order. That is purification. If you create your own atmosphere, then you become impure. If you simply carry out the order of your spiritual master, then you will be benefited. If you do your own business, that is not good. You can not do anything which is not ordered by your spiritual master. Of course, everyone should have sense. It is not that we are dull, stone. Unless it is moved, it cannot... You have got moving power. But the basic issue should be to carry out the orders of his spiritual master. That is your president. Otherwise you are not.
Harikeśa: Sometimes we have the experience of someone in authority who is obviously not following your instructions.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Harikeśa: Sometimes we have the experience, someone in authority who is obviously not following your instructions.
Prabhupāda: That you have not to judge.
Harikeśa: Ah.
Prabhupāda: You are not to judge. You should be, you should know that this man is appointed, and he gets here by spiritual process. I must follow. You cannot judge him.
Harikeśa: Oh.
Devotee: (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: That is not your business, judging.
Harikeśa: Then we simply wait for further instructions from you and keep....
Prabhupāda: No further instructions.
Harikeśa: Ah.
Prabhupāda: So long he is president you must follow him. If he is wrong, that will be corrected by the spiritual master.
Harikeśa: Right.
Prabhupāda: You cannot correct him. Otherwise obedience is the first discipline. If you do not obey the representative, authority, then there cannot be any discipline. Then everything will be topsy-turvy.
Harikeśa: You would rather have us follow the temple president...
Prabhupāda: Huh? Yes.
Harikeśa: ...than to...a
Prabhupāda: If he is wrong, that cannot... He will come out.
Harikeśa: Ah.
Prabhupāda: So the steps will be taken by the spiritual master. You cannot, do not try to rectify.
Harikeśa: Our advancement is the same?
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Harikeśa: Our advancement...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Harikeśa: ...is going on.
Prabhupāda: You follow, evaṁ paramparā-prāptam (BG 4.2), gopī-bhartuḥ pada-kamalayor dāsa-dāsānudāsaḥ (CC Madhya 13.80), servant of the servants of the servant of, then this is our.
Guru dāsa: That's the consideration. Advancement is (indistinct). (break)