Prabhupāda: Now already he has admitted. "Yeah, finally my presence in New Vrindavan is more needed now that we are being requested by Your Divine Grace to make an attempt for self-sufficient." The hint is already given.
Devotee: Yes. So he's doubtful.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Devotee: He's doubtful that they can do it. I think the next sentence?
Prabhupāda: "We trust in your higher wisdom that self-sufficient can be realized somehow or other, and we will try for it." Yes, sometimes you can . . . (indistinct)
Devotee: He doesn't sound like he is very hopeful.
Prabhupāda: Hopeful, then how it can be?
Devotee: Someone else should manage, who has enthusiasm.
Prabhupāda: It's not possible if they . . . (indistinct) . . . they . . . if they think that they can do some business, let them do it. What can be done? If they cannot produce food, then let them do business.
Devotee: Make soap? Make Hare Kṛṣṇa soap?
Prabhupāda: Anything can be done. For doing business, there are so many things.
Devotee: There is something that can be arranged on that farm.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Devotee: There must be some craft or various . . .
Prabhupāda: But the whole New Vrindavan idea was that milk and production, something from that, that's all. And that is possible. But they don't work.
Devotee: No.
Prabhupāda: That is the . . .
Devotee: That's the trouble.
Prabhupāda: That's the trouble. So you can see it that is why. They think, "Now we have become devotee of Kṛṣṇa, why we shall work?"
Devotee: And most of the men who live there, they only stay a short time, and they go away. Then someone else comes, and go away. So there is no one to maintain it.
Prabhupāda: They come and eat and go.