Satsvarūpa: Mixed with moisture?
Prabhupāda: That I do not know. The scientists say that it is a blazing fire, sun planet. Fire is generally red color with little yellow. Why it is white? We have no experience of fire, white. So how do they say it is fire? That is my question. (break) ...tell me what blue I have seen. Red I have seen. Where is white?
Guru dāsa: (indistinct) the sun is a reflection of the brahma-jyotir?
Prabhupāda: That is another. First of all, you answer whether it is fire or something else. (break)
Satsvarūpa: ...dew.
Prabhupāda: Where is the moisture? It is clear shine. Where is the moisture? (break) (laughter) It is not fire. It is a brilliant body. It is not fire. (break)
Satsvarūpa: ...body of Vivasvān?
Prabhupāda: Whole planet, I mean the population, they're so bright.
Satsvarūpa: Sometimes in your lectures you explain the living entities can live there because they have bodies of fire.
Prabhupāda: Fiery. Not fire.
Guru dāsa: Fiery.
Prabhupāda: Because there is heat and brightness, therefore they can say fire. Just like, what is called, diamond. Diamond looks like, bright, like this beautiful. But that is not fire. Diamond, real diamond, you keep in dark room; it will be light. But that is not fire.
Devotee: Effulgent.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Bright. Brightness. (heavy wind noise) (break)
Devotee: That stars?
Prabhupāda: Stars? They are planets like this planet. Like moon planet, the moon planet. Nakṣatrāṇām ahaṁ śaśī. The stars, they are so many moons, not suns. They say "sun." And we say, "No, it is moon." Sun is only one. In each universe there is one sun, but there are many planets like moons.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Reflections.
Prabhupāda: Reflection. We get it from Bhagavad-gītā. Nakṣatrāṇām ahaṁ śaśī. (heavy wind noise) (break) ...due to the sun, reflect.
Guru dāsa: Why does the moon reflect? They say the moon is sandy, but this sand here is not reflecting.
Prabhupāda: That... They are not going to the moon planet. They are going to some other planet, Rahu planet.
Guru dāsa: Rahu?
Prabhupāda: Yes. There are many planets invisible. So there is a Rahu planet which comes in front of the moon planet, and that is called eclipse. So there is a planet rotating. I think they are going to that Rahu planet, not to the moon planet.
Haṁsadūta: How can they make such a mistake?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Haṁsadūta: How is it that they made such a big mistake?
Prabhupāda: Their whole life is mistake. (laughter) They cannot do anything but mistake. Why you are so much confident about that? Their whole life is simply mistake.
Puṣṭa-kṛṣṇa: Prabhupāda, they see a little fire, and they see that it has heat and light, and so they see a huge thing having heat and light, and so they conclude that that's also a fire. So if that's their deductive method, then if they see that whenever there's intelligence, there must be a person, then why don't they conclude that behind the universe, there's so many wonderful things, that there must also be a person?
Prabhupāda: Yes, we say there are persons, combination of fiery persons. Therefore it looks so bright.
Akṣayānanda: Is the brightness of a diamond because of the presence of a jīva?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Akṣayānanda: The brightness...? No.
Prabhupāda: Suppose you get a diamond body. Just like glowworm. Glowworm, it has a glowing body. That's all. But the glowing substance is different from the soul. Owner of the body is different. What he's doing? (break) ...came other day, morning?
Guest: (indistinct) (break)
Prabhupāda: ...have purchase this land for him for preaching Christian Bible. So he, maybe he was getting some salary on this land in this way. He gave up Gauḍīya Maṭha association and he became Christian. So I know that this land belonged to him. His wife was there.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: In Allahabad.
Prabhupāda: Maybe at Allahabad. He's the proprietor. He was Mr. Cakravarti. (end)