Rāmeśvara: . . . we will have to tolerate all these things—cinema, nightclubs. How can we close all these things? The people want these things.
Prabhupāda: No. If you educate people, if you give them better enjoyment, they'll give up.
Rāmeśvara: Very gradual.
Prabhupāda: Just like our men. They are not after cinema or brothel house or restaurants. It requires education.
Hari-śauri: We have to make them devotees.
Rāmeśvara: But can all the masses of people become devotees?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, cent percent devotees, by this process: ask them to chant and take prasāda.
Jagadīśa: People in general are very much inclined to accept whoever their leader is if they feel happy. So if we give them kīrtana and prasādam, if their economic needs are met, then how can they avoid? Economic needs are the main thing. That's why there's . . .
Prabhupāda: If they can eat nicely and they have no, I mean to say, complaint for living conditions, they will become.
Rāmeśvara: But they will not give up sex life.
Prabhupāda: No, no. I don't say that you give up sex life.
Rāmeśvara: That means that they want to have nice clothing and cars for sex. As soon as there is sex, then they want so many other things to make it more attractive.
Prabhupāda: Not necessarily. Not necessarily. Formerly there was sex life. They're thinking like that, "We require," naturally. First of all they'll be . . . If they advance in Kṛṣṇa consciousness, they will stop sex life. Yad-avadhi mama cetaḥ kṛṣṇa . . . If they're really Kṛṣṇa conscious, they'll have no more taste for sex life. That is . . .
Hari-śauri: But that position is not very easily attainable.
Prabhupāda: No, that is not easy. Therefore we say "restricting." And this will be possible if he follows our program.
Rāmeśvara: You have said many times that if a small percentage of the Americans become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then the whole country can gradually become Kṛṣṇa conscious.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Rāmeśvara: So that means that in the beginning we may be very powerful in government, but still, the masses of people will be karmīs still.
Prabhupāda: No. You can introduce in such a way that they will become devotees. Suppose in big, big factories we shall introduce this prasāda distribution and chanting. They'll immediately be popular. Everything will be . . . Ceto-darpaṇa-mārjanam (CC Antya 20.12).
Jagadīśa: In order for us to get power, by that time the illumination and knowledge of Kṛṣṇa consciousness will be widespread.
Rāmeśvara: That's what I'm wondering. I was thinking that it wouldn't be. There would be . . .
Jagadīśa: Otherwise how can we get through? What is the use of having one politician?
Rāmeśvara: Many revolutions have been victorious with a very small minority of people behind them because they're so well organized. Russia, Germany—all these revolutions.