Prabhupāda: Not very few hours. Say four, five hours altogether. Altogether. Maximum five, minimum four.
Professor Durckheim: All the night, or do you at the day sometimes?
Prabhupāda: No. At night I get up at one, at half past one, sometimes half past twelve. But I take a little rest, one or two hour, in the daytime. So two hours at night, two hours at day, or three hours at night, two hours in day. In this way, altogether five hours, not more than that. Our predecessor gurus, Gosvāmīs, they were taking rest not more than two hours or 2-1/2 hours. So we should come to that standard, Yes. Nidrāhāra-vihārakādi-vijitau. About them this description is: they reduced their sleeping, nidra. Nidra means sleeping. And āhāra. Āhāra means eating and collection. Collection is also āhāra. Yes. So they are mendicant. They had no collection. And they had no preaching mission. They were simply writing books.
Nānā-śāstra-vicāraṇaika-nipuṇau, very expert to study different scriptures, just to get the essence of scripture and give to the people. Lokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau. So their life was engaged for the benefit of the whole human society. What these people are talking philanthropy and humanitarian? They dedicated their life for . . . just like we are doing. It is not for any sect or any person. For the whole human society. So that should be the mission. Lokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau tri-bhuvane mānyau. Therefore their literature is honored all over the world, all over the universe. Just like our books: we are selling all over the world, all universities, all school, all colleges, all gentlemen. It is not sectarian. Lokānāṁ hita-kāriṇau tri-bhuvane mānyau śaraṇyākarau. This was their hard labor, and rādhā-kṛṣṇa-bhajanānandena mattālikau, and they were very much pleased in worshiping Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa Deity.
All the Gosvāmīs established a Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa temple. In Vṛndāvana each and every Gosvāmī established one temple in the beginning. Then others followed. Rūpa Gosvāmī established Govindajī's temple, and Jīva Gosvāmī established Rādhā-Dāmodara temple.
Professor Durckheim: The Rādhā-Kṛṣṇa center in Geneva, for instance, has there any connection with you, the Swami Nityabhava-badananda?
Haṁsadūta: No.
Professor Durckheim: No, no connection.
Prabhupāda: They are all impersonalists. The whole world is impersonalist. Perhaps we are only the personalists. (japa)
Professor Durckheim: You know that the Christian theologian, they think the main difference between them and Eastern religions altogether is that the Christian are personalists and Eastern tradition is not personalist. This is the whole . . .
Prabhupāda: Misconception.
Professor Durckheim: Misconception, yes. For sure.
Prabhupāda: The majority of Indian population, they are personalists. Yes, majority. Either they worship God or demigod, but they are personalists. Recently, the Māyāvādī philosophers, they have poisoned—the impersonalism, calamity. God is person. It is . . . in the Veda it is said, nityo nityānāṁ cetanaś cetanānām (Kaṭha Upaniṣad 2.2.13). There are millions of persons—we are all person—and God is the chief person. Just like in modern democracy, there is no monarch. But ultimately they have to select one president. Without person, there cannot be government. Why they do not remain without a president? Let it . . . government, everything is government, impersonal. Why they select a president?
Professor Durckheim: Yes. One who takes lead, yes, sure.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So if for a small government, three bighās of land, you require a personal governor, and such a huge government, millions and millions of universes, how the governor, the Supreme Person, supreme executive, shall not be a person? What is the reason? Actually, at the present moment people have given up to understand the science of God. That is the defect. They are thinking everything here. Here is advertisement, "Everything here. Come on. Here is a bottle. Here is the peg (a measure for alcohol). Come on." Everything here.
That is the defect. And we are preaching, "Everything is not there." "Everything is lost there," we are preaching. No intoxication. And the material world is preaching, "Everything is there." This is the difference. We are preaching, "Everything is here, in Kṛṣṇa, in God." We have . . . there is a tendency here, just see. They want to worship Deity. Even on the street side there is such thing. The tendency is to worship Deity, person. I have seen in Rome. In many small lanes, they have got this. Yes. Personal worship. So the village men, they are all sleeping now?
Professor Durckheim: Yes. Most of them are sleeping. Yes, still.
Prabhupāda: They are enjoying. Sleeping is enjoying.
Professor Durckheim: This is a very ugly village here.
Prabhupāda: Why? It is very clean.
Professor Durckheim: Nothing but stone. No gardens, no flowers. Usually it is different.
Prabhupāda: In other words, you mean to say that, "The village for the stone-hearted."