Prabhupāda: Asses, mūḍhāḥ. Unless one comes to the point of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, we don't give any value to so-called education, advancement of knowledge. We don't give any value. Our only formula, harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāḥ (SB 5.18.12). If one is not Kṛṣṇa conscious, he has no value. Immediately reject him. He has no value of his life.
We are advocating Kṛṣṇa consciousness not on sentiment: on the value of life—that these men are being carried away by whims without any value of life. Let us save them. That is our mission. Just like a, a foolish person is going in . . . on the ocean. So it is argued, "Oh, why you are going that way? Where you are going? You are a madman." This is the duty.
Brahmānanda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Similarly, these rascals are going to hell, and we are trying to save them. That's all. This is Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: I read an article by Śrīla Prabhupāda about sometime in 1935 or '40, early in the Back to Godhead magazines. In the earlier copies, the Prabhupāda writes about the standard of morality in one article.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes, yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: There everything is very nicely explained.
Prabhupāda: Yes. I wrote one time, standard of morality.
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We have got very simple formulas from the statement of śāstras. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāḥ. Haro, "In the Supreme Personality of Godhead," abhakta, "nondevotee, a person who is not a devotee of the Supreme Personality of Godhead," kuto mahad-guṇāḥ, "where is his high qualities?" No.
No high qualities. In the Bhagavad-gītā also: na māṁ prapadyante mūḍhāḥ (BG 7.15). So we see whether he has surrendered to God. Otherwise, he's a mūḍha, rascal.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: The first one is from Bhāgavatam, Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: That is from Bhagavad-gītā.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: No, the first one.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Brahmānanda: Harāv abhakta . . .
Prabhupāda:
- yasyāsti bhaktir bhagavaty akiñcanā
- sarvair guṇais tatra samāsate surāḥ
- harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇā
- manorathena . . .
- (SB 5.18.12)
Manorathena. These rascals, they are simply speculating on the mental platform. That's all. Manorathenāsati dhāvato bahiḥ (SB 5.18.12). They are entrapped by the external energy, by mental speculation. They have no value. All these scientists, philosophers, they're on the mental platform, speculating. I am certi . . . "I say this." You say: "No, I say this." You see? Who is correct?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: There is no judgment.
Prabhupāda: No, judgment . . . therefore they're all madmen. You can speak in your own way; I'll speak in my own way. And another fool thinks that both of them are scientists. They do not agree; still he's scientist. Just see. Cheaters and the cheated. Somebody's cheating and somebody's becoming cheated. The whole society's the combination of cheaters and cheated. That's all. I see both of them, you do not agree. Just like they have rejected religion because two religionists, they do not agree.
So why not these rascal scientist? They do not agree. Just see. They are so fool, but still they are after them. Their modern people they have rejected religion because they say that one religionist does not agree with another religionist. So there is no . . . skepticism. So why not about the scientists? Just see.
Everywhere you will find contradiction. Therefore anyone . . . and we are find out this contradiction because we have little attachment for Kṛṣṇa. Others cannot find out. We are challenging scientist, philosopher, although we are teeny person, because we have little attachment for Kṛṣṇa. Otherwise, who is detecting their follies? Nobody. The scientists' follies, the philosopher follies, their contradiction . . . a devotee can find out. Paśyanti jñāna-cakṣuṣā. Unless one is highly enlightened, one cannot find out these defects, contradiction. Paśyanti jñāna-cakṣuṣā. We have got simple formulas in the śāstras. Simply on the basis of those formulas . . . whole Vedic literature is like that. Just like Āyurveda, Āyurveda or astrology. Everything is like that. Āyurveda, the medicine, they have to learn only the beating of the pulse. If one becomes expert in which way the pulse beating is going on . . . they have got example. Just like some birds jump over like this; some bird goes like this.
So they have got example how the pulse is beating, jumping or easily going. So the symptoms, if one can study, he becomes physician, first class. Immediately. Because as soon as he can study the pulse, how it is beating, in which way—that is, that requires little experience—then immediately the formula is that if the pulse is beating in this way, then these symptoms will be there. And he will ask the patient . . .
Brahmānanda: Confirm the symptoms.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Confirm the symptoms. If he says, "Yes," then immediately diagnosis is there. And as soon as diagnosis is there, the medicine is there. Simple method. Similarly, astrologer, they will see the constellation of the stars, and then the formula is there, "If this star is now with this star, if that planet is with that planet, then this is the result." So this Āyurvedic astrologer and physician requires little clear brain. Otherwise, very nice. The research work is already there.
Just like we are. What is our research? Kṛṣṇa says, paras tasmāt tu bhāvaḥ anyaḥ (BG 8.20): "There is another nature." We believe it. That's all. We have not gone to another nature. But Kṛṣṇa says: "There is another nature, spiritual nature." This is, this material nature, inferior nature, bhūmir āpo 'nalo vāyuḥ (BG 7.4), apareyam, this is inferior. Itas tu viddhi me prakṛtiṁ parām (BG 7.5): there is another, superior nature. What is that? The living force. Who will argue?
So we have got very easy method. And because we are receiving all this information from the most perfect, therefore our knowledge is perfect. That's all. And for all these rascals, śrama eva hi kevalam (SB 1.2.8): unnecessarily they're laboring. They cannot come to the right conclusion. Therefore harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇāh (SB 5.18.12). Oh, what is the good quality? If you unnecessarily work without any result, then what is your qualification?
Brahmānanda: Mūḍha.