Devotee (3): I was going to ask you, Prabhupāda, is that the moon planet that we see, is that the same moon planet that's mentioned in the śāstras? The same planet?
Prabhupāda: Yes, same one. But the moon planet where they went, that is a dark planet. That is not moon planet.
Kṛṣṇa-dāsa: My father is a graduate of Berkeley and he majored in astronomy and chemistry. And he's an atheist. And his logic is is that—it's very empirical—is that if there's other life, they have to have bodies similar to ours.
Prabhupāda: Why?
Paramahaṁsa: So it's impossible to have a life on the sun because we could not live there. That's the empirical way of...
Prabhupāda: You cannot live there; therefore there is no life.
Paramahaṁsa: That's what they assume.
Prabhupāda: But you cannot live in the water. Why there is life?
Paramahaṁsa: Well, yes. That is fish.
Prabhupāda: What is this nonsense, "empirical"? There are millions of living entities within the water, but you cannot live even for an half an hour.
Paramahaṁsa: But to scientific knowledge there's no life in fire.
Prabhupāda: Why not? Fire is also one of the elements like water and earth. So if there is life in the water, life on the earth, why not in the fire? What is this logic?
Bahulāśva: Actually, everything is burning. Even this body is also on fire.
Prabhupāda: No, the material ingredients, five elements... Out of the five elements, fire is one of them. So if in the four elements there are life, why not in the fifth? How do you say? That is their ignorance.