Prabhupāda: Your generation are kṣatriya. Actually we give stress in our civilization, brāhmaṇa and kṣatriya. Kiṁ punar brāhmaṇāḥ puṇyā bhaktā rājarṣayas tathā [Bg. 9.33]. And Kṛṣṇa says, evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ [Bg. 4.2]. (Hindi?) We have lost our kṣatriyas, we have lost our...
Dr. Singh: (Sanskrit)
Prabhupāda: So the Vedic civilization is lost. The kṣatriyas are considered to be the arms.
Dr. Singh: And also the...
Prabhupāda: And the brāhmaṇas the head.
Dr. Singh: But in the Upaniṣads, as you know, there are many cases in which the brāhmaṇas had to go to the kṣatriyas for knowledge. You remember?
Indian man: Fourth Chapter of Gītā (indistinct). Fourth Chapter of Gītā (indistinct). The knowledge is being handed over.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Singh: Handed down.
Prabhupāda: That I have spoken. Evaṁ paramparā-prāptam imaṁ rājarṣayo viduḥ [Bg. 4.2]. So this knowledge were being studied by the king, because it is the responsibility of the king to see that the citizens are happy in every all respects.
Dr. Singh: Sretaketu(?) also went to the king to ask him. Your movement has spread with tremendous rapidity.
Prabhupāda: Because it is genuine.
Dr. Singh: And the sheep are very hungry. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: I want to revive brāhmaṇa-ism, kṣatriya-ism. Unless you do that, there cannot be any peace. Dharma. Dharma means this classification dharma. There are two kinds of dharmas. One, material dharma, and another, spiritual dharma. Actually, dharma means spiritual. But so long we do not come to the standard platform of spiritual dharma, we have to regulate our life in such a way that we may come ultimately to the spiritual platform. So that material dharma is that, as Kṛṣṇa says in the Bhagavad-gītā, cātur-varṇyaṁ mayā sṛṣṭaṁ guṇa-karma-vibhāgaśaḥ [Bg. 4.13].
Dr. Singh: Guṇa-karma vibhādayo.
Prabhupāda: So the brāhmaṇa's dharma, the kṣatriya's dharma, the vaiśya's dharma, and the śūdra's dharma.
Dr. Singh: In the modern world, Swamiji, wouldn't you think that the same person has got to combine in himself the qualities traditionally ascribed to all the dharmas? Therefore, a man must be..., he must have the knowledge.
Prabhupāda: That is a fact, that is Kṛṣṇa consciousness.
Dr. Singh: He must have the integration of the guṇas.
Prabhupāda: Integration of guṇas, sa guṇān samatītyaitān brahma-bhūyāya kalpate [Bg. 14.26]. That is transcendental position. You have to transcend all the three guṇas. Nistraiguṇyo bhavārjuna. Traiguṇya-viṣayā vedā. The Vedic system is dealing with the three kinds of guṇas—sattva, raja, tama guṇa. And Arjuna was advised to come to the platform of nistraiguṇya, nirguṇa.