Nitāi: Who went out of India, Prabhupāda? Who went out of India?
Prabhupāda: This Subhas Chandra Bose. And he organized the INA, Indian National Army. So when this Indian National Army was organized and the Britishers . . . they were great politician. They saw, "Now the army is going to national movement. We cannot be." Then they left. Because it was not possible. They were maintaining British Empire with Indian money, Indian men. You see?
They did not conquer by their British soldiers all round the Far East, Burma and the Mesopotamia and Egypt. That was Indian army, the Sikh soldiers and the Gurkha soldiers, and Indian money. On the pretext that, "For Indian protection, we are maintaining this army," actually, they were expanding their empire, Africa, Burma. And when they saw that "India is lost," voluntarily they liquidated all others. Went back . . . back to home, back to Godhead. (devotees laugh)
So in politics this is nonsense, non-violence. It is nonsense, cowardism. In politics in sweet word you cannot get. There must be fight, arms. That is army, "If you don't agree, then fist." That is politics. There must be violence. Otherwise you cannot control. When there is educated good men, then you can argue. But when people are ruffians, there is no question of good . . . Argumentum baculum, I told you the other day.
(break) . . . in the beginning of creation, the fight between the demons and the demigods, devāsura-yuddha. That is always there. In the European history, without revolution, no order changes. Even the Russian Revolution was there, French revolution was there. In England, Cromwell? Cromwell? Cromwell Revolution?
Nara-nārāyaṇa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So without revolution, violence, you cannot change old order. "Old orders changes, giving place to new." That old order changes . . . everywhere it is by violence. The Mahābhārata also, the Battle of Kurukṣetra. Kṛṣṇa was there. He tried to settle up. But it was not settled without violence. Paritrāṇāya . . . what is that? Vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām. Paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām (BG 4.8). Kṛṣṇa also comes, vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām, to . . . for killing the demons. Kṛṣṇa also comes. (break)
Nalinīkaṇṭha: . . . will be overthrown and replaced with God conscious beings?
Prabhupāda: No. I am not talking of any government. We are not in politics. We are talking of preaching. Why? Why this government you should try to change? Where is the better replacement? First of all find out the better replacement. Then you talk of changing. Where is the better replacement? To replace one rascal with another, that is not . . . now democratic government, if the people become Kṛṣṇa conscious, then naturally their leader will be Kṛṣṇa conscious. So automatically it will change. There is no question of violence. What is the use? Now, suppose by violence you become the president of the United States. Will you be able to do something?
Nalinīkaṇṭha: No.
Prabhupāda: Then what is the use? Because under democratic government, your order is not final. So if the people are demons, then what you will do? You cannot do anything. Therefore the people's mentality, consciousness, should be changed by this Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement. When they become God conscious, Kṛṣṇa conscious, they will select Kṛṣṇa conscious president. Then everything finished. Formerly people used to accept the king as the final authority, but at this present moment, that is not accepted. People must accept. Now it is people's government. So unless people are God conscious, you cannot have good government. In comparison to other governments, your government is far better. People here not starving.