Harikeśa: Just give them prasādam and kīrtana.
Prabhupāda: That's all, yes. No argument. "Please come and take prasādam." That much mercy should be shown to them.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: They are displaying their cannon. They are displaying weapons.
Prabhupāda: That is their only asset. And when they are kicked out by the cannon of nature, they tolerate, that's all. They are showing their cannon, but ask them, "Can you defend yourself from the cannon of nature when he kicks out, 'Get out'?" You may be very big commander and captain or leader, but when death comes can you avoid it? Then what is your leadership? What will your cannon do? You kill nature by your cannon and live. That you cannot do. Then where is the value of your cannon? Eh? Why you are so much proud of showing your cannon? What you can do with this cannon?
Devotee (2): They know how to destroy everything, but they can't create anything nice.
Prabhupāda: No question of creating. They have destroyed themselves. Save yourself from destruction. Then you talk of destruction. You destroy. That's all right. But you will be destroyed by some other greater power. What you are going to do that? What you have done for that purpose? You destroy. That is going on, nature's way. I am killing somebody; somebody is killing me. That is nature's way. So what is your special credit? There is no credit. There is no credit. You save yourself not to be destroyed by others. "I can destroy others but nobody can destroy me"—that Hiraṇyakaśipu tried. But that is not possible. Ultimately he was destroyed, that's all.
Devotee (2): They don't seem to care too much about the future.
Prabhupāda: That is foolishness. Therefore we call them rascals. Therefore we have given this position, rascal, that's all. Talk too much, do nothing—that is rascal. (horn sound in background) Hare Kṛṣṇa, Hare Kṛṣṇa . . . Hmm?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: (aside) This old fort was built by the British? This is actually called Old Fort isn't it? This park is built around a commemoration to a very old military fort.
Devotee: British.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: British.
Prabhupāda: Where is that fort?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: It's supposed to be some kind of museum over here. I don't think the fort is still standing.
Prabhupāda: And where are the fort makers? (laughter) Where they have gone?
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: They were shot out of the cannon.
Prabhupāda: So what is the meaning of this fort? If the fort makers are themselves finished, then what is the use of making fort?
Devotee (2): Well, they aren't getting any pleasure of the life. "Why should we live anymore? We're not getting any pleasure out of life. There's no future. Why should . . ." People are happy to die these days, because there is no pleasure.
Prabhupāda: There is no . . . Who said there is no pleasure?
Devotee (2): Well, in this world. I mean, this world is more or less suffering.