Dr. Patel: You see, anything which is read out of context is no reading. You must read it reference to context. If you read some nonsense somebody must have spoken or written, he's not all what he has written or spoken. So if Yaśomatīnandana reads that and Prabhupādajī talks something about the spirituality, not this moment . . . please. Because time is short and heart is long, and our heart is beating like muffled drums, so let us fulfill ourself before we die.
Prabhupāda: No, you have got your injection. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: That is not for me. I give only . . . (laughs) His wife was brought yesterday to me, Yaśodānandana, and she told me that she was operated in the stomach for some growth. "What sort of growth was that? Was it malignant?" And she's suffering. Why don't you send her back or get the reports from the American hospital, what operation was performed on her, and we'll get out? Or she'll suffer all the time. That is the story of injection. Now let us talk . . . (indistinct) . . . Until you realize God, then you are spirit. Up to then, you are always . . .
Prabhupāda: "I am Indian." "I am American."
Dr. Patel: More important: "I am a human being and others are lower animals." That is the greatest abhimana.
Prabhupāda: No, that is also.
Dr. Patel: Abhimana.
Prabhupāda: That is also, what is called, false ego. Human being or animal, they are not different, because the body is made of the same ingredient. If you manufacture a dog like a dog, like a man, what is the difference? The ingredient is the same: earth.
Dr. Patel: Five bhūtas, pañca-bhūta.
Prabhupāda: Pañca-bhūta. So where is the difference? A man who knows, he will see so many dolls made of earth. He knows they are all earth. Ekatvam anupaśyataḥ (ISO 7).
Dr. Patel:
- brahma-bhūtaḥ prasannātmā
- na śocati na kāṅkṣati
- samaḥ sarveṣu bhūteṣu
- mad-bhaktiṁ labhate parām
- (BG 18.54)
Sum of it all, no?
Prabhupāda: First of all let me . . . understand: This bodily transformation does not make any difference. Either it is made like a dog or it is made like a man, it is made from the earth. So one who knows the ingredient, he does not make any difference, because he knows the dog or the man made of the same ingredient.