Prabhupāda: You are teacher?
Guest: No, not anymore. It's not very transcendental.
Śrutakīrti: He's asking if his business is transcendental.
Prabhupāda: No, if it is used for Kṛṣṇa, then it is transcendental. If it is used for your sense gratification, then it is material. That is the difference.
Guest: Yes. And how do you know whether you're using it for Kṛṣṇa or not?
Prabhupāda: Yes. That requires training from the Kṛṣṇa's representative, guru. Just like these boys are being trained up in Kṛṣṇa consciousness. So it requires little training. Just like you are mathematician. To make another student mathematician, you have to train him. You have to teach him how to calculate two plus two equal to four. It will never be five. If somebody says, "No, my calculation is two plus two equal to five." Will it be accepted?
Guest: I'm afraid sometimes it can be true. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: How it can be true?
Guest: One plus one can equal three.
Prabhupāda: Huh?
Guest: One plus one can equal three sometimes.
Prabhupāda: Is there mathematical calculation?
Guest: I know that it's ah... I mean things reproduce. Life is not so fixed, not so rigid. But one does have to be trained, it's true. Training is, some people can understand and some people cannot understand.
Prabhupāda: That is difference of understanding.
Guest: Yes.
Prabhupāda: The fact is true. But if I cannot understand, that is my misfortune.
Guest: Yes. And if I can't understand what this is the end of the... So yes, it's the same. I think this is right.
Prabhupāda: God is fact. But if somebody cannot understand, it is his misfortune.
Guest: Yes. And another time, another place.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest: As you say, there are many oceans. The Christians say, "In my father's house are many mansions." A Chair. (indistinct) Good enough?
Prabhupāda: No, you can sit down.
Guest: This has come a long way from the Barrier Reef, the Pacific. These shells. The shells.
Prabhupāda: Oh yes.
Guest: From the Pacific. From the Barrier Reef, Australia. You know the Barrier Reef?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest: Yes, that's where they come from, the Barrier Reef.
Prabhupāda: I have seen the reef.
Guest: You have?
Prabhupāda: In Australia.
Guest: Oh, yes. I would like to see that. The sea is wonderful, isn't it? You like the sea they tell me.
Prabhupāda: Oh yes. Very green, clear.
Guest: Always a different color though. Always a little different isn't it?
Prabhupāda: Well, reef I have seen. It is about, not less than two hundred feet.
Guest: Really? They say under the water is beautiful, the light, and the color.
Prabhupāda: They go under the water?
Guest: They go, yes, under the water, in skin-diving. The coral, coral? Grows coral doesn't it? They say it's all, very beautiful. Jaya. Well, thank you, Prabhupāda, jaya.
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Give him prasāda. Thank you.