Hari-śauri: Then, uh, third verse, "You Yourself descend to propagate the transcendental science of devotional service unto the hearts of the advanced transcendentalists and mental speculators, who are purified by being able to discriminate between matter and spirit."
Prabhupāda: Advanced transcendentalists, they can understand. Not these speculators with limited sense perception. Finished?
Hari-śauri: Hm.
Prabhupāda: The speculators have no knowledge. (laughs)
Hayagrīva: Yes. He says, "It is not so much that God is in everything but rather that everything is in God."
Prabhupāda: That's another foolishness.
Hayagrīva: What is this position?
Prabhupāda: He is inside and outside. He is within and without.
Hayagrīva: Why should it be more one way than the other?
Prabhupāda: Because there is nothing but God, so how he can be without God? Sarvaṁ khalv idaṁ brahma. Everything is God's expansion. How it can be sometimes in God and sometimes not in God? When he is not in God, that means he is māyā. Now māyā is also God, mama māyā. So how he can be without God? That is illusion. Just like these criminal. He thinks, "I can be independent of the government." No. That is not possible. Either he will remain in jail or outside the jail, you are under the government. But he thinks that "I am free." That is foolishness. He is not free at anytime.