Prabhupāda: ...day one Hindi gentleman came. He presented a picture, India's map, and all the whole India is full of avatāras: Vivekananda, Ramakrishna, this, that. This is India.
Dr. Patel: They might be vibhūtis. You can call them, but...
Prabhupāda: No, no, same thing. What vibhūtis they have got? Vibhūti of cheating, that's all. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: They are vibhūti anyhow.
Prabhupāda: They have got some vibhūti, how to cheat. This vibhūti they have got.
Trivikrama: He was serious? He was serious about the map?
Prabhupāda: Yes. He came to me to support this movement. What is this nonsense map, all cheaters pictured here? All Bhagavān, so many thousands of Bhagavāns. Vibhūti of cheating, that's all.
Dr. Patel: Yad yad vibhūtimat sattvam.
Prabhupāda: That vibhūti you have got also.
Dr. Patel: Whatever it may be.
Prabhupāda: All right. Even an ant has got.
Dr. Patel: And that means if you... A bigger ant. There are in South America are some ants, you know, big.
Prabhupāda: So that is... That... That gift is given by God to everyone. That does not mean one is Bhagavān.
Jagadīśa: Kṛṣṇa says, "I am the cheating of cheats."
Prabhupāda: Yes. (break)