Prabhupāda: Yes. "We are giving culture, art, scientific knowledge. You are accusing. Is it good for your nation? Think nationalwise what we are doing. We are not fools. They are also educated. They are coming from respectable family. Why you say that we have become befooled, brainwashed? We are not so fool that I shall be brainwashed by some Indian." Try to make compromise before them. Actually, this is a great culture.
Rāmeśvara: These are the heads for the Śeṣa-nāga of this Mahā-Viṣṇu exhibit. They are made from rubber, and they have all the details.
Prabhupāda: Acchā. How rubber you make mold?
Rāmeśvara: Yes.
Prabhupāda: You do yourself?
Rāmeśvara: They do, yes.
Prabhupāda: So what is benefit of rubber?
Rāmeśvara: It has something to do with the curves.
Prabhupāda: Oh. In clay, it cannot.
Rāmeśvara: They started manufacturing it, many at a time. That's what they used. This is a doll of Kṛṣṇa speaking to Arjuna on the Battlefield of Kurukṣetra.
Prabhupāda: Very good. Nobody can think it is doll. How many men are engaged?
Rāmeśvara: I think thirty devotees. That includes all the carpenters and the . . .
Prabhupāda: And they are becoming expert, so that in future many others also.
Rāmeśvara: This is a doll of Lord Caitanya. That devotee is Ādideva. He was here, in India, studying with Bharadvāja.
Prabhupāda: I simply see how the devotees are engaged in so nice occupation. This painting, this taking, thinking of Caitanya, thinking of Kṛṣṇa—this is Kṛṣṇa conscious. That is . . . nobody can deny. When he's working in this way he cannot think of other way. That will elevate him, simply by thinking. Man-manā. He'll derive greatest benefit. He'll become devotee. He'll get liberation from this material world simply by doing that, it is so nice. So in all our centers have this doll exhibit.
Rāmeśvara: This is Lord Nityānanda. Very blissful.
Prabhupāda: Nitāi guṇa mani āmāra nitāi-guṇa mani, āmiya premera bandha vasala ayantu. (Nitāi Guṇa Mani Āmāra)
Rāmeśvara: These little dolls are Gandharvas. There will be over two hundred of them in the Universal Form exhibit.
Prabhupāda: Who is this girl?
Rāmeśvara: That is one of the doll makers' wives.
Prabhupāda: What are the small?
Rāmeśvara: Those are the Gandharvas. Each Gandharva . . . there are hundreds of them. They have their own outfit, different colored dresses and different ornaments, all made by hand.
Prabhupāda: So small?
Rāmeśvara: Yes. Because there are hundreds of them. But in the mirrors there will be millions of them . . .
Prabhupāda: Acchā. (laughs)
Rāmeśvara: . . . filling the whole sky and all directions.
Prabhupāda: Very good. So encourage them.
Rāmeśvara: This is inside one of the exhibits. This is part of the wall, and this is a scene of the phalanxes at Kurukṣetra. And then behind them and above, there is this painting, and it is like a curve. In the middle will be Kṛṣṇa and Arjuna on the chariot.
Prabhupāda: Oh. (laughs) Very nice. People will so much appreciate it. Yes. They've never seen. From artistic point of view, it should be rewarded by government. And they are prosecuting us. This . . . what injustice. So many young men, they're exhibiting their talents in this art, and they are trying to harass us. What is this government? Put this matter before this government that, "Just see, Your Lordships, we are presenting culture, religion, knowledge, philosophy, art, and they are trying to condemn us. Do you think it is all right?" Simply ask. "It was never known in this country. And it is worthy. We are the first-class nation in the world, and we are still giving something more of our talent. Instead of encouraging government help, we have to suffer this harassment. Do you think it is justice?" Just put before him.