Jyotirmayī: (If the) name of God is not material, how is it possible to pronounce it materially, with our material tongue?
Prabhupāda: Yes, it is possible, when you are purified.
Guest: Has God put the suffering here for us to experience so that we will want to give up material lives and get closer to Him? Is it punishment?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Jyotirmayī: Is the God of love, does He punish man?
Prabhupāda: Yes. God has got two business. Maintenance and punishment. That is stated in Bhagavad-gītā, paritrāṇāya sādhūnāṁ vināśāya ca duṣkṛtām (BG 4.8). That the government has got the law to give protection to the obedient citizens, and to send the rascals to the prison house.