Hari-śauri: One of the reasons why they did not want John Lennon to be allowed to stay in the United States is because they said that he had too much influence with the young people.
Prabhupāda: Yes, he spoiled these. They are already spoiled, and (static) that the government has done nice thing. What is his value? But because he has got money (static) popularity, he has become big man.
Rāmeśvara: So there is this theory that there is a conspiracy all over the world that the rich men to control.
Prabhupāda: That is, we say. If you have got money, you can make conspiracy or anything, whatever you like. Conspiracy I cannot make, I have no money, I cannot make conspiracy. But if I have got money, I can develop a conspiracy with my money. That one man asked, "Have you got any intelligence?" The man began to.... "Let me see." "What is that?" "I am seeing my pocket." "Why pocket?" "Intelligence means pocket." If there is money in my pocket, then there is intelligence. Otherwise, there is no intelligence. And Cāṇakya Paṇḍita also said, daridra-doṣo guṇa-rāśir nāśī. A man may be very, very big, qualified man, but if he's poor, everything's finished. Daridra-doṣo guṇa-rāśir nāśī.
Rāmeśvara: So when they come to our temples and they see that the temple is very opulent, then they think we are intelligent.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, they are more and more now.
Rāmeśvara: The church does this.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: More and more our society is getting respect because of the big buildings.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.
Rāmeśvara: New York.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That's why, I think your Guru Mahārāja was in favor like that.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, he said that potthor katha ke usa cane gauri ber katha sundari(?) If you remain poor, then nobody will be...
Rāmeśvara: And this diorama project will also give us a lot of respect.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. We have got many things, stock. We shall exhibit gradually. We have got many things in stock.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Many new ideas.
Prabhupāda: First of all, I started the book. That is, by Kṛṣṇa's grace, it is becoming successful. Then diorama. Then I shall give next idea.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This diorama is a major idea.
Rāmeśvara: I brought the Time magazine people to see it. They were so impressed they wanted to come when the museum is open, to make a story.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes.
Rāmeśvara: They never saw anything like it.
Prabhupāda: Deal with them very nicely. We get publicity.
Rāmeśvara: It's very costly.
Prabhupāda: Never mind. Cost, Kṛṣṇa will send money.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: This project here will cost, how much? About seventy...
Rāmeśvara: The actual project, without considering how much the devotees live on, forty thousand dollars.
Prabhupāda: Never mind.
Rāmeśvara: That's the budget for the project, not counting the devotee maintenance.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: More than that.
Prabhupāda: Never mind. You can you can raise that four times price.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So we don't mind the cost?
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: And the BBT is paying part of the...
Prabhupāda: And at least, by tickets, people will pay ten dollars.
Rāmeśvara: Yes, that's Bharadvāja's idea, to tickets.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. Otherwise, how we will raise the money? Book Fund cannot give.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: The Book Fund has been giving one half...
Rāmeśvara: But now...
Prabhupāda: That can be given as loan, not for...
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: As loan, the whole thing...
Rāmeśvara: Originally you told me wherever they go, the temple will pay fifty percent and the BBT will pay fifty percent.
Prabhupāda: No, that is loan.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's got to be a loan.
Prabhupāda: BBT is, our policy is fifty percent for reprinting and fifty percent for temple. Nothing else.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Strict.
Rāmeśvara: But that fifty percent for temple is only as loan.
Rāmeśvara: Except in India (laughs), then it is gift.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Because we are rich Americans.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that is contribution to your Guru Mahārāja.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Right.
Rāmeśvara: (laughs) Jaya.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That is our guru-dakṣiṇā.
Rāmeśvara: There is just one problem, Śrīla Prabhupāda. If the temple thinks that they are going to have to pay for the entire project, it is so costly that they don't want to pay so much. They cannot afford. That's why you originally...
Prabhupāda: If they cannot pay, we are not going to hang them. But the condition is this: They must pay.