Guest (2): Excuse me. Your honor, sir, what is the duty of the perfect master?
Prabhupāda: To teach the rascals (laughter). The students are all rascals, and the teacher's duty, to educate him properly, that is.
Guest (2): Is not the perfect master, when come to the Earth, prophet, he showed to the God?
Prabhupāda: You were asking what is the duty of the master and teacher.
Guest (2): Yes.
Prabhupāda: The teacher's duty is to make right the rascals, that's all.
Guest (2): When is the perfect mast...
Prabhupāda: So, first of all this is the duty of the teacher. So, therefore, a disciple should consider himself, that he's a rascal, and then he goes to a teacher. If he thinks himself, that he is quite all right, he does not require a teacher.
Guest (2): But when we are going to the teacher, teacher is showing from the 1, 2, 3, 4, teacher is showing, but not to what you can tell him to just you. Teacher is telling, teacher is showing us. So the perfect master, when the Lord Kṛṣṇa...
Prabhupāda: But how do you know the perfect master, if you are a student?
Guest (2): When the Lord Kṛṣṇa was on the Earth...
Prabhupāda: First of all you answer me, that if you are a student, how you can know who is perfect teacher? (laughter) So you do not know what is your position. If you are teacher, if you are a student, then you should go to the teacher submissively, not that strong attitude.
Guest (2): If I am the student, excuse me, your honor sir.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (2): If I am the student, I am going to the class, and I want to know that he's the principal teacher or not?
Prabhupāda: So how you can know, principal teacher or not, if you are student?
Guest (2): Naturally he's giving us lesson from there, I will understand that he is teacher, and he will show us that this is A, this is B, this is C...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (2): Anyhow, the books is near to us, and I do not know that this is A or this is B or this is C...
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (2): Anyhow book is near, but the proper teacher, or the master is showing us that this is A, this is B, this is C, and then we know that this is A, and this is B, and that C. Anyhow that before when we devote our, to bring to class in the school, and the books was very near to us, we do not know this is one, this is two, this is three, this is A, this is B, this is C. Books was near to us, with our eyes we can see, but we do not know what is this A and B, and the teacher is the one showing us that this is A and this is B, and this...
Prabhupāda: That's all right, then what do you want to know? (laughter)
Guest (2): I want to know (laughter and applause).
Prabhupāda: Now, the student goes to learn from the teacher A, B, C, D. The teacher says "This is A," but the student has to accept that this is A. The student cannot argue, "So why not this way?" That is not a student. When a teacher says that this A, so you have to accept this is A, you cannot argue. That is the relationship between the student and the teacher. A student cannot argue. The teacher says, "This is A," the student has to accept that is A. He cannot argue. If he argues, then he cannot learn. That is the first proposition.
Guest (2): That is correct.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He must surrender.
Guest (2): But the master is showing A.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that's all right.
Guest (2): That's why the, what you call, when this guru is coming, we are calling sad-guru, or the perfect master, he should show that the ocean of the God. God, he should show us, ourself...
Prabhupāda: But first of all you learn A, B, C, D, then. Without a learning A, B, C, D, how you want to pass any examination? (laughter) That is not student. The student must submissively learn from the teacher, from the A, B, C, D, and if he makes progress then one day he will be able to pass the examination.
Guest (2): When the Lord Kṛṣṇa...
Prabhupāda: He, you cannot learn what is there in the examination by studying A, B, C, D. That is not possible. You have to wait. You cannot say immediately, you pass me immediately. That is madness. You must learn first of all A, B, C, D. Gradually, not all of a sudden. That's all right.