So Prahlāda Mahārāja is asking the asuras, his friends, "My dear . . ." Friends are sometime addressed in strong languages. That does not affect friends, in friendly terms. So Prahlāda Mahārāja directly asserting that "You are all atheists." But he was speaking among friends. There was no questions of offending. And actually they were sons of all atheist. So he is submitting, "My dear friends," that nirūpyatām iha svārthaḥ, "you just try to find out what is your interest. You do not know your interest."
Everyone is called selfish, "I am self-interested." Yes. You should be self-interested. Everyone should be self . . . and that is the nature. I am thinking for my self-interest; you are thinking for your self-interest. When we become philanthropist, there is also self-interest. "I want to become a very . . . welfare worker in the society because there is my self-interest that you will elect me as president or some big officer."
Oh. So self-interest is natural. That is not abominable. If you become self-interested, that is not abominable. That is nice. But you do not know what is your self-interest. Prahlāda Mahārāja submits that nirūpyatām: "Just try to analyze what is your self-interest."
- nirūpyatām iha svārthaḥ
- kiyān deha-bhṛto 'surāḥ
- karmāṇy ārabhate dehī
- niṣekadiṣv avasthāsu
- kliśyamānasya karmabhiḥ
- (SB 7.7.46)
Now you are trying to be happy by your work. Everyone is trying to be happy by his work. A man, ordinary worker, he is also trying to be happy by working, and a great capitalist, he is also trying to be happy by his work. But Bhagavad-gītā says that they are trying to be happy in what sense? They're trying to be happy with the body or sense gratification. But how long you shall be able to satisfy your senses? Your interest is different: not sense gratification. Your interest is that you have to find out what you are.
So that is described in Bhagavad-gītā very nicely, that you are this consciousness. Avināśi tu tad viddhi yena sarvam idaṁ tatam (BG 2.17). That you are, that permanent, the consciousness. And what is that consciousness? That consciousness is, pure form, is Kṛṣṇa consciousness that, "I am servant of God." This is pure consciousness. So long my consciousness is designated: "I am American," "I am Indian," "I am Chinese," "I am Russian," "I am Hindu," "I am Muslim," "I am Christian . . ." These are all designations due to this body. But actually I am neither American, neither Indian, nor Christian, nor Hindu, nor Muslim, but I am eternally the servant of God.
So Prahlāda Mahārāja is submitting that, "If you are servant of God, eternally, then you find out your engagement, eternal engagement. That is the duty of your human form of life. Don't be misled by designation." Kṛṣṇa consciousness means to become free from all designations. Sarvopādhi-vinirmuktam (CC Madhya 19.170). You have to become free from all designations. Tat-paratvena nirmalam. And in connection with the Supreme Lord you have to become nirmalam. Nirmalam means without any contamination.
Last night in the television, one boy was asking me, "Swāmījī, you are all after spiritualism. Why you are using this clay as tilaka, and so many things you are using which is matter?" So I explained to him—perhaps you have known—actually, there is no matter, actually, in this sense, because everything is emanating from the Supreme Spirit. Everything is emanating . . . Janmādy asya yataḥ (SB 1.1.1). What is the Absolute Truth? The Absolute Truth is that from which everything is emanating—the source, the fountainhead, the fountainhead of everything.
So whatever we see . . . now, of course, we are in condition, material condition. We see everything material. But even this material energy is also spiritual, because it is coming from the spirit, the Supreme Spirit. Suppose anything comes from the fire, it is hot. Fire, anything coming from . . . anything you take. You are cooking daily, and as soon as you cook something it becomes very hot, and you take it from . . . it is hot. You cannot touch it. So by nature, everything is hot, or everything is spirit, because it is coming from the spirit, by nature.
Just like sunshine. Sunshine has got all the qualities of the sun. Sunshine has got temperature. Sunshine has got illuminating power as the original sun has got. Similarly, although the whole creation, whole manifestation, is the display of the energy of the Supreme Lord, they are not different in quality. In quality there is no difference.
Just like the sunshine and the sun: It may be the temperature in the sun planet is very great. That's all right. But you cannot say that sun is hot but the sunshine is cold. No. That cannot be. That cannot be. It may be the degree of temperature lesser, but there is temperature. That is the sign that it is coming, emanating, from sunshine.
Similarly, in the Bhagavad-gītā you'll find that this whole manifestation, there are different kinds of energy.