Dr. Patel: I think that is a wrong system, sir. This so-called democracy is not ours. Consensus . . . if by consensus . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no. Now, either democracy or monarchy, the population is śūdra. So either you make it democracy or any "cracy," śūdra will be on the power. So they can . . .
Dr. Patel: In Kali-yuga, sir, the śūdras will rule according to the . . .
Prabhupāda: Everyone is śūdra. Kalau śūdra-sambhavaḥ. Who is going to become brāhmin? We are inviting everyone, "Come here, become brāhmin." Who is interested? He'll go to the factory. Instead of becoming brāhmin he'll be hammer man. (break) In America no students are coming to the philosophical class or higher mathematics class.
Dr. Patel: No mathematics?
Prabhupāda: No. Higher studies, nobody comes. Only technology. The higher class, higher studies class, they are being closed. The professors are getting no job. We have a friend, Dr. Henderson, he is a doctor in higher mathematics, he is not getting job. No students. Nobody is interested in higher . . . similarly, many other things, and literature.
Dr. Patel: Here also the same thing. Nobody takes. And Sanskrit practically nil.
Prabhupāda: And philosophy class, closed. Here I think also. Nobody . . . they think, "What is the use of speculation?"
Indian man: At Kurukṣetra, one Sanskrit university they are planning.
Prabhupāda: Vedic university. So that is our plan. We have asked government to give us land.
Vāsughoṣa: They had a big article in the Times of India about it.