Prabhupāda: You should remain always sannyāsī within. Outwardly, for others' convenience, you may do something. Similarly, we are accepting this varṇāśrama. We are not varṇāśrama; we are above varṇāśrama. But to give others facility to come to the stage of Kṛṣṇa consciousness, this program must be done.
Hṛdayānanda: Prabhupāda, generally in colleges in the West, they charge some fee for going to the college. What is our position?
Prabhupāda: No, we don't charge any fee. There is no question of money. Because the Brahmins, they'll teach free. They require money because they have to give fat salary to these rascals. But we haven't got to. And even we have to feed them, we produce our own grain. So where is the question of taking money? Therefore it is required, somebody must produce food. Then there is no necessity of money.
Hṛdayānanda: The vaiśya students will produce the food.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Satsvarūpa: Should our children who are at gurukula, when they grow up, should they go to that varṇāśrama college, or . . .?
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. They should go.
Hṛdayānanda: We'll start it right away.
Prabhupāda: Varṇāśrama college means for grown-up students. College means for grown-up students.
Hṛdayānanda: Is there a minimum age for beginning such a college?
Prabhupāda: Yes. Ten to twelve years.
Hṛdayānanda: They can start at ten to twelve?
Prabhupāda: Yes. From five to ten years, gurukula. And after ten years, they should go to the varṇāśrama college.
Viṣṇujana: New Vrindaban would be an ideal place in America for such a school.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Organize that.
Viṣṇujana: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes. I shall go.
Viṣṇujana: This Mahārāja is also going to New Vrindaban.
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes.
Viṣṇujana: He can . . .
Prabhupāda: Do that. Kīrtanānanda Mahārāja, you, and combined together, do that.
Viṣṇujana: Yes.
Prabhupāda: We have got so many duties to do. Don't waste time, a single moment. And don't eat more and don't sleep more. Then you'll be able to work.
Viṣṇujana: And this is the most auspicious work for now, is this remedial measure of . . .?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Viṣṇujana: This is the most auspicious work for now, is this remedial measure to stop the chaos in the world.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Viṣṇujana: That's most auspicious.
Prabhupāda: Most auspicious. Because if the people are in chaos, how they'll be able to accept the great philosophy? It requires cool brain.
Viṣṇujana: For example, in my program . . .
Prabhupāda: Budhaḥ. Budhaḥ. Eh? Yes?
Viṣṇujana: My program now is I have ten brahmacārīs in buses and everything, and we're distributing books. But if the people are in chaos, how will they be able to accept the knowledge in the books?
Prabhupāda: No, not all of them are in chaos. There are some of them. Some of them. Not that all of them. (aside) Hare Kṛṣṇa. (break) . . . in separate department.
Passer-by: Rādhe, Rādhe!
Prabhupāda: Hare Kṛṣṇa. Just see. Due to the past training, even an ordinary man, he's chanting "Rādhe, Rādhe."
Viṣṇujana: When we had our boat, the boatmen every morning were . . .
Prabhupāda: This is India.
Viṣṇujana: . . . worshiping . . .
Prabhupāda: Because, due to past culture, even the lowest class of men, he's also great philosopher than these rascals in Western countries.
Hṛdayānanda: So all the other programs should be continued, and this program should be added.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Parivrājakācārya: Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Parivrājakācārya: Would the . . .? The persons who would take part in such a program, they would have to be devotees in the first place. Is that . . .?
Prabhupāda: Devotees is . . . I have already explained. We are all devotees. Past condition, we are all devotees. We are not . . . we do not belong to this varṇāśrama. I have already told you. Suppose I am mopping. So that does not mean I am mopper. But I am teaching how to mop. This is our position.