Prabhupāda: Four kinds of sinful activities: illicit sex, and intoxication, and unnecessary killing of animals, and gambling. This . . . all the slaughterhouses of the world are being maintained unnecessarily. That is recruiting simply sins. They are eating sin, and therefore the world is in trouble. Simply committing. There is no necessity of killing animals. But here in India they are killing ten thousand cows daily, what to speak of Western countries. The people are so much addicted to sinful activities. How they can be elevated? They are condemned. Only this movement, Kṛṣṇa consciousness, if they take to this movement, they can be saved.
Otherwise, there is no saving. They must cycle round the 8,400,000 species of life—sometimes very happy, sometimes very sorry; sometimes Brahmā, sometimes the germ in the stool. This is going on, changing bodies one after another, just like if we change our dress. This will go on so long one is not completely free from the sinful activities. Unless he enters into the kingdom of God, this cycle of birth and death will go on. Only in the spiritual sky there is no birth, death, old age and disease. And as soon as you are out of the spiritual sky, these four things will . . . you may live for thousands of years—that doesn't matter—but you have to die. That is the law of material nature.
You may have very good medicines, drug shop, as you have got in your country, but still you have to suffer from diseases. You may have thousands of method for contraceptive, but the population is increased. Ah. And as soon as there is death, as soon as this body, the janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi (BG 13.9).
In the Bhagavad-gītā everything is clearly stated, that any intelligent person will put forward before him that "We have solved all our miserable conditions of life, but not these four principles. That is not possible," janma-mṛtyu-jarā-vyādhi: the sufferings of birth, the sufferings of death, the sufferings of old age and the sufferings of disease. That cannot be stopped. That can only be solved if you become Kṛṣṇa conscious and go back to home, back to Godhead, that's all. Otherwise it is not possible.
You may be very great yogī, you may be very great meditator—all the things, they are very nice; they can elevate you from higher standard of life. Just like your country, USA, they have got higher standard of life than India, in one sense. But you can have thousand, thousand more higher standard of life in higher planets. Thousand, thousand times. As there is comparison between India and USA or any country, similarly, in planetary system also there is comparison: this planet is so much full of material pleasure and other planets so much, so much. But in no planet (laughs) there is the guarantee that there will be no death. That is not.
That is stated in the Bhagavad-gītā:
- ā-brahma-bhuvanāl lokā
- punar āvartino 'rjuna
- (BG 8.16)
Even if you go to the Brahmaloka, where one twelve hours means thousands of four yugas, but still there is death. So we cannot avoid this. The one who is serious . . . hmm. Social . . . (indistinct) . . . what is this name of this magazine?
Indian man: . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Asia?
Indian man: (indistinct) . . . Asia Magazine . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: Hmm. Asia Magazine is published from London?
Indian man: It is published in Hong Kong.
Prabhupāda: Hong Kong. Oh, I see. So (laughs) our New Vrindaban, very nice. So you have published very nice picture. So . . . (indistinct) . . . you can take it to our . . . (indistinct) . . . just see. This is one picture and this is one picture. Bring it. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Side by side. Hell and heaven, one has to select. (break)
And the spiritual world there is only one class of men; therefore spiritual world is called absolute. There is no disagreement. The center is Kṛṣṇa, or God, and everyone is engaged in His service in love. Not paid servants. Paid servants will always disagree, in proportion to the money he receives. But in the Vaikuṇṭha world there is no question of paid service. Everyone is free, everyone has got sufficient. Because as I told you yesterday that they are all liberated. They have got equal opulence like God. But still they serve. That is the superlative . . . (indistinct) . . . here, one serves, he needs; and there they serve without needs. There is no need of service; everything is there complete, cintāmaṇi-prakara-sadmasu kalpa-vṛkṣa (Bs. 5.29).