Dr. Wolfe: Śrīla Prabhupāda, you are aware that they advance the argument of mesmerization against chanting. The psychologists do that.
Prabhupāda: That's good. That's good. If you can mesmerize, that will . . . now Dr. Judah has admitted that you can mesmerize the drug-addicted hippies and engage them in understanding Kṛṣṇa is a great achievement. (laughter) Yes.
Dr. Wolfe: That's not mesmerization, of course.
Prabhupāda: Whatever it may be. Dr. Judah has admitted. So if mesmerization is for good, why not accept it? If it is for bad, then it is another thing. If it is doing good, why not accept it? Hmm? What do you think, Professor?
Dr. Orr: I don't know how to react. I think I agree with you. (laughs)
Prabhupāda: If it is good . . . everything good should be accepted.
Dr. Orr: One problem . . . you see, I keep wondering how you're so sure you know what good is, particularly when it comes to war. I would be a little more worried, I think, that . . .
Prabhupāda: What is that war?
Dr. Orr: Well, when you were telling that sometimes war is necessary. I should think that it's important to know how to decide when . . .
Prabhupāda: No, no, necessary means you cannot expect in this material world all saintly persons. There are bad elements. So if a bad elements comes to attack you, is it not your duty to fight and protect?
Dr. Orr: It just may be, though, that mine are the bad elements, and I keep thinking that other people are the bad elements.