Prabhupāda: Have they done anything progressive?
Hṛdayānanda: No.
Prabhupāda: So? Big, big advertising, "United Nation." All nation, you . . . because all the cats and dogs united. What they can do? If the all the world's cats and dogs meet together to make a formula, will they be able? (laughter) So actually, this is the proof. They're all cats and dogs. What do they know how to unite, how to live in peace? They do not know even. Because they're animal, cats and dogs. This is the proof. Just study this institution. What they have done? Am I right or wrong?
Hṛdayānanda: Right.
Prabhupāda: Yes. So study this institution.
Viṣṇujana: Thirty years now.
Prabhupāda: Eh? Thirty years they are struggling for United Nation, big, big expenditure, so many humbug, bharam udvahato vimūḍhān (SB 7.9.43), humbug program, and no result. Prahlāda Mahārāja said: "I am thinking, I am, only for these rascals. They're making humbug program, but there is no action. And for temporary, so-called happiness, without God consciousness. I am simply thinking of them. Otherwise, personally, I have no problem." This was spoken by Prahlāda Mahārāja to Nṛsiṁha-deva. Śoce tato vimukha-cetasa māyā-sukhāya bharam udvahato vimūḍhān (SB 7.9.43). (break) . . . business has become like Prahlāda Mahārāja. We can chant anywhere. That's all right. Kṛṣṇa will provide everything. We have no business to do. But we have to take them, because we are sympathizer, that so many people are being killed by this modern civilization. They had the opportunity to become Kṛṣṇa conscious, but by the set-up of this rascal civilization, they are being killed spiritually. Therefore we have to take it. (break) . . . devotee, personally, he has no problem, but he pushes himself in this degraded society to teach them how to live, how to become gentlemen. Therefore . . . otherwise, we have no business. But if we don't give them the opportunity, they'll not be able to come to Kṛṣṇa consciousness. (break) . . . it will be good for you because Kṛṣṇa will see, "Oh, here is My devotee. He's doing so much for Me." Your service will be recognized by Kṛṣṇa. Don't think that because you are teaching a śūdra how to work like this, you have become a śūdra. You are not śūdras, any circumstances. Even though you teach to a śūdra how to work like a śūdra. (break) . . . stand. Don't misunderstand. Clearly understand what is the purpose. Is there doubt? Or it is clear?
Satsvarūpa: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Viṣṇujana: One good example in New Vrindaban, they're actually doing that. They're training kṣatriyas, they're training . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes, yes. That was the very beginning . . .
Viṣṇujana: . . . vaiśyas . . .
Prabhupāda: I started the New Vrindaban scheme on this formula.
Viṣṇujana: Kīrtanānanda Swami has carried it out just as you have desired.