Gurukṛpā: Our printing man from Dai Nippon . . . the printing man who was doing our book from Dai Nippon, he would come to the house at eight-thirty at night. And he lives . . . every day he travels two hours to Dai Nippon in the morning and at night another two hours.
Prabhupāda: Just see. Many. Why Dai Nippon?
Gurukṛpā: But this was eight-thirty at night he came. And I asked him, "What do you go?" . . .
Prabhupāda: No, Bombay. Bombay, Calcutta.
Gurukṛpā: I asked him, "What time do you go to work?" He said: "At nine in the morning." I said: "But it is eight-thirty. You have been working now eleven hours." He said: "Well, after I leave here, I must go back to the office, finish my work. I will be finished at eleven tonight. Then I will go home. And I will get home at one o'clock, and then I must get up at six in the morning to go to the office." So much tapasya.
Prabhupāda: There is a book, novel. The subject matter is that the man, when he goes out of home the child is sleeping. He has to rise four o'clock to prepare to take the six o'clock train. At that time his child is sleeping. And when he comes back at ten o'clock, his child is sleeping. So he does not know. So when he's grown up, on Sunday he's asking his mother, "Who is this man?" (laughs) This is the subject matter. They have written in a very . . . he is asking, "Who is this man?" When he was child, he did not see, neither inquired. Now, when he's grown up, on Sunday he sees that this man is very intimately talking with his mother. He . . . in this way . . .
Gurukṛpā: The poor man, his office is cheating him, and then his wife stays home and spends all his money, and he is being cheated by her.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He comes, taking so much trouble for the wife. He will lie down with her from eleven at night up to three o'clock. For that, that is home. This is his home. And to maintain this home, he has to take so much trouble. And this is civilization . . . (indistinct) . . . he does not think, "For this little happiness why I am here? Better to become a sannyāsī and live independently. Why I'm taking so much . . .?" No. And after working so hard, in old age if you ask permission from the wife, "I have done so much for you, for family. Now let me retire." "Eh? You'll retire? Then who will look after me?" The home member not satisfied, and you are not satisfied. You are working so hard—how you can be satisfied? And they find still insufficient income. They are not satisfied. But what is this home? To sense gratification. You are not serving this woman. Because this woman, as soon as she is not able to serve you by her sex, then there is divorce. Nobody's serving anybody, but everyone is serving his own senses. So actually the man is serving his own senses, uṣṭra. He's eating his own blood and thinking, "Thorn very palatable." He's eating thorn. What is his palatable? Cutting the tongue and blood is coming out, and when the thorn's chewed with this blood, it makes little taste. Blood has got taste. And he's thinking, "Thorn is very nice." Therefore they have been called as uṣṭra. Uṣṭra eats own, drinks or eats his own blood, and takes the thorn as very good. Śva-viḍ-varāhoṣṭra-khara (SB 2.3.19). These animals have been specially mentioned: dog; viḍ-varāha means hog; uṣṭra; and khara means ass. How Bhāgavata has selected. (laughs) Śva means dog. Dog, after technical education, if he does not get a post where he can use this computer and other big, big . . . he's a dog. He goes to a bank, "Sir, I am expert in this machine work. Can you give me a job?" "No, no. There is no vacancy." Then again he puts his tail, goes another, another. What is the use, this? The big, big technologists, unless they get a suitable job, they're just like dog. Dog is loitering in the street, no food. So these men with all this high technological knowledge, if they do not get a proper master, they are nothing but dog. This is university education. So dog and hog. Hog means he can eat any nonsense thing, whole day working, if he gets sex—never mind whether mother, sister or daughter or any. You see the hog's family. They are very much sexually inclined, without any discrimination, and eating stool. This is his life. You see nowadays this man, he's eating anything, the hog's intestine.