Devotee: Hy. Dharmasya hy apavargasya.
Prabhupāda: Ah. Dharmasya hy apavargasya. Apavargasya. Dharma means, religion means, to accept the path of apavarga. It is not a religious sentiment. Therefore dharma is defined, dharmaṁ tu sākṣād bhagavat-praṇītam (SB 6.3.19). Just like the state authorities. A man is suffering in the prison house, and he's praying to get release, or he's very anxious to get release. So he has to follow some government rules and regulation. Then he may be released.
So therefore dharma means the rules and regulation of the law given by Kṛṣṇa. If you want release from this bondage of material suffering, apavargasya. Dharmasya hi apavargasya na arthāya artho upakalpate (SB 1.2.9). Generally we go to the temple for artha, some material gain: "O God, give us our daily bread." This is material gain, either bread or rice or something. It is also good, because ārto arthārthī. Catur-vidhā bhajante māṁ janāḥ sukṛtinaḥ (BG 7.16). Sukṛtinaḥ. Anyone who goes to the temple or church for begging bread, they are also good because they are coming to the temple. In that respect they are good. But one who thinks that "What is the use of going to the temple? God is everywhere. Even in the wine shop there is God. Let me go there instead of coming to the temple." That is their philosophy. God is everywhere. He goes to the wine shop for realization of God, but to come to the temple is forbidden. This is their philosophy.
So anyway, dharmasya hy āpavargasya na arthāya upakalpate (SB 1.2.9). And to gain money, material gain, does not mean we shall satisfy our senses. Now, what is that? Arthasya. Artha is not meant for sense gratification. Jīvasya tattva-jijñāsa.
Devotee: Nārtho yas karma cehabhiḥ . . .
Prabhupāda: The life is meant for tattva-jijñāsā. The dharma-artha-kāma mokṣa . . . (SB 4.8.41, CC Adi 1.90). The dharma means to become religious. Why religious? Yes, we require the necessities of life in a regulative principle, dharma-artha-kāma, and to satisfy . . . We have got senses to . . . We have to satisfy; otherwise we shall become unhealthy. Just like sex life. Sex life is required also for healthy condition—for ajitendriyāṇām. But one who is jitendriya, one who has conquered over the sensual activities, for them it is not required. Therefore it is recommended to, I mean to say, train the children to become brahmacārī. Brahmacārī. That means to control the senses. Brahmacārī gurukule vasan dāntaḥ (SB 7.12.1). Dānta means controlling the senses. That is gurukula, how to teach the students to become controlling over their sense. And if he is perfect, then he doesn't require to accept gṛhastha āśrama. He can accept immediately sannyāsa āśrama. But if he is unable to do that, the brahmacārī, the guru orders him, "All right, you take a good wife and be satisfied and have family life up to fifty years. Then you give it up." Not that it is essential one has to marry. This is a concession for sex life, that's all.