Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: A leader means that he's following a system. So what are the criterion of...?
Prabhupāda: That already told. He does not commit any mistake.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yes, that I understand.
Prabhupāda: He is not illusioned, he is not a cheater, and he is perfect.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: So now you've defined a perfect leader. What is a perfect system? What are the criterion for a perfect system?
Prabhupāda: Perfect system means from which we do not suffer. That's all.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No suffering.
Prabhupāda: No suffering.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That is the main criterion.
Prabhupāda: Yes. We are always hankering after happiness. So we do not like suffering. So if there is no suffering, that is perfect system.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Can you point out any time in history when there existed such a perfect system?
Prabhupāda: It is always existing.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Even now?
Prabhupāda: Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Kṛṣṇa consciousness. Otherwise why you are sticking to this? This is the proof. You are all young men, you have given up everything. Why you are sticking to Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
Revatinandana: In the West so many young men are joining different groups?
Prabhupāda: They may be rascals. Therefore, therefore Caitanya Mahāprabhu... (break) ...told me it is full. But people coming and going, it looks very nice.
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Like a house when it has no occupants, it's not so nice as when there are people moving about.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Canakya Paṇḍita says, putra-hīnaṁ gṛhaṁ śūnyam: "In a home where there is no children, sons and daughters, it is zero."
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Just like a body without a soul.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Caitya-guru... (Bengali) (break)