Svarūpa Dāmodara: That means there are some living entities, say, for example, human beings, they come right away to the human platform without undergoing the . . .
Prabhupāda: Yes, Brahmā. Just like Brahmā. He is in human form, only with four hands. He is the first-born. And then he created other living entities. Brahmā is first born from Viṣṇu. He has got four heads, four hands, two legs, he can speak. It is human form. Then, from him other forms came out, marīcy ādi, ṛṣi, great, great, saintly person. Nārada, Kumāra. In this way, creation was there.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So the evolution of life . . . those who are coming to the lowest living entity, the organisms, smaller units, so once they come to that stage, then they have to pass through the stages step-wise.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Just the same example: As you get more money, you can acquire better apartment. The apartment is already there. Not that a apart . . . this lower-class apartment has become higher-class apartment. This is their nonsense. The Darwin nonsense theory is like that, "The apartment has become lower class to higher class." That is his theory.