Because it is fight against maya, why we shall be afraid of being killed? Where there is fight, one must know that "Either I am going to be killed or gain victory." Jivo va maro va

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"Because it is fight against maya, why we shall be afraid of being killed? (chuckles) Where there is fight, one must know that "Either I am going to be killed or gain victory." Jivo va maro va"

Conversations and Morning Walks

1977 Conversations and Morning Walks

Don't be disappointed. Krsna will act through His movement and kill them, these demons. How it will be done, that you cannot know now, but it will be done. Let us remain true soldiers. That's all. And if it is a fight . . . Suppose we die in the fight. The fight means with vow, with determination, either to gain victory or die. Because it is fight against maya, why we shall be afraid of being killed? (chuckles) Where there is fight, one must know that "Either I am going to be killed or gain victory." Jivo va maro va. Those who are devotees, either they live or they die -- the same thing. While they live they are serving Krsna; when they die they will serve Krsna. Jivo va maro va. Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti (BG 4.9). He goes to Krsna. (laughs) So what is the loss? We are working for Krsna, and if we die we go to Krsna. So what is the loss? Same business.

770215 - Conversation - Mayapur

Brahmananda: With loudspeakers and . . . We were very ambitious. So the people, they'd never seen anything like this, and so they accepted it. But then after a while, they resented. If you become too much . . . Actually, the governments feel very threatened. That was one of the reasons why you were not permitted to land in Kenya, because it was so much advertised, they put banners across the main avenue, and radio, TV announcements, posters. They saw this as a . . . something that will go against . . . eclipse their government, their own president. You were more famous. (Prabhupada laughs) Therefore they tried to say, "No, I am more famous." So therefore they didn't want you to come.Tamala Krsna: So it's better in some cases to be a little cautious, low key. Slow. Better to go slowly sometimes than very fast.Prabhupada: Yes. Not become aggressive.Tamala Krsna: No. But then again, not too slowly.Prabhupada: So in our Argentina we are no longer.Tamala Krsna: No, no more.Prabhupada: So . . .Brahmananda: They arrested some of our Argentine devotees.Tamala Krsna: Five devotees were arrested.Brahmananda: Americans were not arrested.Prabhupada: We cannot bring any case?Tamala Krsna: Oh, no. They are the government. The government has arrested. There is no real law system there right now. It is a very . . . it's a dictatorship, military dictatorship, a very volatile situation.Prabhupada: Like Russia.Tamala Krsna: Even in some ways worse, because it is not at all stable. There's nothing set. It's just chaotic, very chaotic.Brahmananda: Open murders. They have squads going around and taking people and just . . .Tamala Krsna: Shooting. Very dangerous.Brahmananda: Many prominent Argentine people are fleeing the country, going to Mexico and other places. So now they have just uncovered a big plot where the Argentines were sending assassins to other countries to kill the Argentine . . .Prabhupada: Refugees.Brahmananda: So they have just uncovered a list of names. It was put in the paper. The economy of Argentina is almost ninety percent on beef production, animal slaughter.Hari-sauri: The biggest beef country in the world.Prabhupada: They eat beef only.Brahmananda: And export all over the world.Tamala Krsna: I've seen that they eat beef in the morning, noon and evening. I personally saw when I was in South America that in these South American countries, they eat meat sometimes three meals in a day. Of course, in America they do it also. I remember in restaurants in Mexico they were doing that. Very big meat-eaters.Prabhupada: In Russia also, simply eating meat.Brahmananda: Meat and vodka.Prabhupada: Yes.Brahmananda: They have no vegetables available. I read in the newspapers here in India now that Poland, they are putting up a vodka factory. Punjab.Prabhupada: What is that vodka?Brahmananda: It's a liquor made from potato. So now they're making a factory in Punjab.Prabhupada: Punjab?Brahmananda: Yes.Prabhupada: So government has allowed.Brahmananda: Oh, yes. So they will make vodka here for exporting to Poland, because the Polish people like vodka very much. So now they will produce in India.Prabhupada: The Polish Embassy is there near our Calcutta for seeing this business going on.Tamala Krsna: Side by side. We are on the opposite business.Prabhupada: (chuckles) Things are deteriorating everywhere.Tamala Krsna: Very quickly.Prabhupada: So this will give impetus to Krsna consciousness movement. Yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati (BG 4.7). Don't be disappointed. Krsna will act through His movement and kill them, these demons. How it will be done, that you cannot know now, but it will be done. Let us remain true soldiers. That's all. And if it is a fight . . . Suppose we die in the fight. The fight means with vow, with determination, either to gain victory or die. Because it is fight against maya, why we shall be afraid of being killed? (chuckles) Where there is fight, one must know that "Either I am going to be killed or gain victory." Jivo va maro va. Those who are devotees, either they live or they die -- the same thing. While they live they are serving Krsna; when they die they will serve Krsna. Jivo va maro va. Tyaktva deham punar janma naiti mam eti (BG 4.9). He goes to Krsna. (laughs) So what is the loss? We are working for Krsna, and if we die we go to Krsna. So what is the loss? Same business.Hari-sauri: No loss. There's just gain.Prabhupada: Jivo va maro va: "Either you live or you die, it doesn't matter." And for butcher, na jivo na maro: "Don't die; don't live. So long you are living, every morning you have to cut throat of so many. And if you die you shall go to hell and suffer for this cutting throat. So don't live; don't die." And for a devotee: "Live or die." And for prince, king's son, "Don't die." And for brahmacari . . . (break)Tamala Krsna: . . . all night.Prabhupada: All night screaming. And they have to hear, the Indians.Tamala Krsna: Purposely.Prabhupada: Because they know the Indian Hindus, they have got sentiment for cow killing.Tamala Krsna: So why? Why . . .?Prabhupada: They may go away.Hari-sauri: He says every five years or so they move them to another area. They have to uproot everything and move somewhere else.Prabhupada: Very badly treated, Indians. The blacks are still more badly treated.Tamala Krsna: That government is going to be finished soon.Prabhupada: When I had to go that Indian quarter in Johannesburg, at least ten miles by car through the darkness.Brahmananda: Yes, it's all . . . The Indian quarters are far off.Prabhupada: Still, they're prosperous. They have got car. They have got business. They have got factories. Although they are harassed in so many ways, still they are prosperous. They have got their shops and business house in Johannesburg, and they cannot remain there. They must go back. So that was a failure of Gandhi. Gandhi for twenty years agitated. General Smuts, he was the head at that time. And he was beaten. He was so much troubled. Once upon a time Gandhi was captured and beat so severely that he was going to die immediately. Some English South African friend, he saved him. So Gandhi's life from this side is a failure. He could not achieve any success there. Then he thought that "I shall drive these Englishmen from my country." He came here in 1917.Tamala Krsna: Gandhi was born in . . .?Prabhupada: Gandhi is a Gujarati.Tamala Krsna: But he went to South Africa.