Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. That is vibhūti. That does not mean... Māyāvādī philosophy is: "Because He has spread everywhere, therefore He is imperson." He remains person, without any change, avyaya. But still, He is spread. That he is asking that "How I shall understand You, that You are spread everywhere." Akhilātma-bhūtaḥ. Goloka eva nivasaty akhilātma-bhūtaḥ (Bs. 5.37). That is... So we have to understand from Kṛṣṇa how He is all-pervading, not that mental speculation. "Just like if you take a thing and distribute all over, the original thing is lost." Not like that. Original Kṛṣṇa is there.
Dr. Patel: Pūrṇam idam (Īśopaniṣad, Invocation).
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel:
- kathaṁ vidyām ahaṁ yogiṁs
- tvāṁ sadā paricintayan
- keṣu keṣu ca bhāveṣu
- cintyo 'si bhagavan mayā
- (reads next verse while Śrīla Prabhupāda talks)
Prabhupāda: Yes, yes. This is intelligence. How Kṛṣṇa is all-pervading, you have to learn from Kṛṣṇa and think like that. That is meditation. That is meditation, how Kṛṣṇa is all-per... Just like in the beginning also, Kṛṣṇa said, raso 'ham apsu kaunteya (BG 7.8). So similarly, another explanation is going to be set up here.
Dr. Patel: Now
- śrī bhagavān uvāca
- hanta te kathayiṣyāmi
- divyā hy ātma-vibhūtayaḥ
- prādhānyataḥ kuru-śreṣṭha
- nāsty anto vistarasya me
Prabhupāda: Yes. So "If I go on speaking, there is no end. But some of the chief principles by which I am all-pervading, I shall speak to you."
Dr. Patel: And the first important:
- aham ātmā guḍākeśa
- sarva-bhūtāśaya-sthitaḥ
- aham ādiś ca madhyaṁ ca
- bhūtānām anta eva ca
Prabhupāda: Yes, ady anta, this creation. Before this creation, Kṛṣṇa was there. Kṛṣṇa was there. When the creation is going on, it is maintained by Kṛṣṇa, and when it is dissolved, then it enters into Kṛṣṇa. Prakṛtiṁ yānti māmikam.
Dr. Patel: Aham ātmā guḍākeśa sarva-bhūtāśaya-sthitaḥ.
Prabhupāda: "And I am ātmā, Guḍākeśa. I am ātmā. Therefore, because My part and parcel is spreading, so that part and parcel, particle, that is the basic principle of everything." Just like this body. This body is based on that part and particle, soul. Because the soul was there, the body has developed.
Dr. Patel: Otherwise body would perish. It does rot.
Prabhupāda: Yes. The body develops so long the ātmā is there. So similarly, because Kṛṣṇa is there, therefore whatever manifestation you see, that is due to Kṛṣṇa. Now here the latest theory of the rascals, that life has come from matter, is refuted.