Prabhupāda: . . . there is human form of life. If you do not know, then you remain animal. Āhāra-nidrā-bhaya-maithunaṁ ca samānam etat paśubhir narāṇām (Hitopadeśa): Eating, sleeping, sexual intercourse and defense—this is there in the animals. And if you remain in that jurisdiction only—eating, sleeping and sexual intercourse and defense—you are animal, no more than animal. Why you are thinking that you are more than animal? (man laughs) You are animal. This is the śāstric injunction. You are no better than animal because your business is eating, sleeping, sexual intercourse and defense. Whole world is busy.
Guest (1): And then, Swāmījī, this birth control, that means going against the . . .
Prabhupāda: They are more than animals.
Guest (1): No, no, that just means going against the will of the God.
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes, yes.
Guest (1): Because God wants to bring them as human and they want to stop it.
Prabhupāda: Yes, this is a chance. Suppose if somebody's given chance to take opportunity, and if you kill, that's a great sin. You cannot do that. You are obstructing his natural progress. Is that birth control (Hindi) European countries (Hindi), he hasn't got soul, lump of matter, murderers. (Hindi: In European countries, they think it is just a lump of matter, there is no soul. Therefore kill it. They have degraded so much.) (break) As soon as you forget the duty of human life, then you are nothing but animal. This is the verdict of Hindu dharma, that if you do not properly behave as human being, you are no better than animal. Dharmeṇa hīna. (Hindi: If one gives up dharma, gives up God, then he becomes an animal. What can an animal understand about God? Are Vedas made for animals? No. They are for human beings.) . . . will give him an animal body. This is nature's work. Yes, again come, again come (Hindi: Just like a man is put into jail. When he gets released . . .) But he does not do that.
Guest (3): But Swāmījī, sexual intercourse after marriage is against law of Manu?
Prabhupāda: No, that is also . . . there is law. You cannot have sexual intercourse with wife as you like. No. That is also illicit sex. Then . . . when the woman is in menstrual period, after five days, you can have once. As soon as she is pregnant, no more sexual intercourse. This is human being. Not that like animal. Animal also, they have got restriction. You see? The lions, they have sexual intercourse once in life. Once in life. Brahmacārī. You see? So as soon as you violate the laws, then you are animal. Because law is meant for man. Just like "Keep to the right" and "left" in the road. It is meant for human being, not for the dogs. Dog, if he keeps right or left, it is not under law. But if you keep your car instead of left to the right, then you are criminal. (pause) (aside) So which way we have to go?
Girirāja: The next stairs.