Devotee: Jaya Śrīla Prabhupāda.
Devotee (1): Are the animals complacent with their hellish condition of life?
Prabhupāda: Animal?
Devotee (1): Yes. Like the dog. Is he happy to be a dog?
Prahupada: Yes. Everyone is happy.
Dr. Patel: There is one story in regard to this, sir... (break)
Prabhupāda: The answer? You have got the answer?
Devotee (1): Excuse me?
Dr. Patel: No. He was not. He was not attentive. I answered on his behalf with that story.
Bhāgavata: Once that happened to Indra, isn't it, Śrīla Prabhupāda?
Prabhupāda: Anyone, in any condition of life, he thinks that he is happy. That is māyā.
Dr. Patel: If all the five holes of indriyas are made to look outside, get our pleasure from out, if they have turned within and get pleasure from yourself, then you are happy. That is in Kaṭhopaniṣad.
Prabhupāda: You can see practically. People are living in, what is called, that zone, where everything is ice?
Devotees: The North Pole.
Prabhupāda: They are thinking happy. They do not come out.
Bhāgavata: Eskimos.
Prabhupāda: I have got practical experience. In my childhood I used to go with my father for some purchasing some bhauma(?) flour in the interior districts. So there was one servant engaged. One day he did not come. So my father asked me, "He is living in there, in that cottage. You can go and ask him." So I went to his cottage. Practically there was no roof, and rain was dropping. So I saw him in a very bad condition. Then I asked him, "Why don't you come to Calcutta with us?" So he replied, "No sir, we cannot go, leaving home. (laughter) This is home." I have got practical experience. "Home sweet home." Janani janma-bhumiś ca svargād api gariyasi: Everyone is thinking that his birthplace and his mother is better than the heaven. That is the psychology. So everyone, however abominable... Everyone is living in abominable condition. That's a fact. But everyone is thinking that "Who is happier than me?" Everyone. This is called māyā. Unless he thinks, he cannot live.
Devotee (1): What is the throwing potency of māyā?
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Devotee (1): It is described that there are two potencies of māyā.
Dr. Patel: Mam eva prapadyante māyām etan taranti te.
Prabhupāda: Hm?
Devotee (1): What is an example of the throwing potency of māyā?
Prabhupāda: Throwing potency means somebody comes to take Kṛṣṇa consciousness and māyā will dictate, "Why you have come here? Go and enjoy life outside." And he goes away. That is throwing.
Dr. Patel: Crying?
Prabhupāda: Throwing, that gets him out. This is throwing. And this is called... What is called? The Sanskrit? Prakṣepatmika.
Dr. Patel: Prakṣeka?
Prabhupāda: Prakṣepatmika.
Dr. Patel: Oh, prakṣepatmika.
Prabhupāda: Yes. And another is avaranatmika.
Dr. Patel: Avarana.
Prabhupāda: Avarana. He is in the most abominable condition, and he is thinking he is very happy. This is avaranatmika, covering him to see in the real position. Otherwise we are asking everyone that "You come here. I am giving you room. Take prasādam. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa. Read these books." "No. Why shall I come?" What is the difficulty here? But nobody will come. He will rot in the home-anxiety—how to maintain, how to... This is going on. This is called prakṣepatmika, avaranātmika. He will prefer rotting as hog and dog, but he will never prefer to live as Kṛṣṇa conscious. This is māyā. So many people are there on the beach. You invite them, "Please come to our place. Live nicely. We shall give you nice room, nice prasādam. Chant Hare Kṛṣṇa." Nobody will come.
Dr. Patel: It is good that they are not coming. Otherwise you won't have this place...
Prabhupāda: No, no. We have enough place. We are not depending on Dr. Patel, but Kṛṣṇa. (laughter)
Devotees: Haribol! Haribol!
Dr. Patel: You rate me very badly.
Prabhupāda: No, because you are saying like that. You do not know that I started this business without nothing, you see, with practical nothing. I offered Mr. Nair that "I will give you two lakhs, and the balance I'll give you in three years." So who will believe? "He is a beggar, and he promises to give me fifteen lakhs of rupees within three years." Who will believe that? He knew that "He will not be able to pay. So whatever two lakhs, three lakhs he gives, that will be mine. That's all. Bas." And I was thinking, "He is such a nice gentleman that he will take money, little, little, and I will collect and pay. He is a nice gentleman," I was thinking. And he was thinking, "He's a great fool, (laughter) that he is offering me two lakhs, three lakhs, and he will never be able to pay me balance." So this was the transaction beginning.
Dr. Patel: He had made such transaction before also, I think.
Prabhupāda: Yes. He knew that. I thought, "He is a very nice man. He'll take money one after another, so let me take it." This was the beginning.
Dr. Patel: I think he died before you completed the transaction. He died, no?
Prabhupāda: Yes.