Svarūpa Dāmodara: So, Śrīla Prabhupāda, that concluding, the scientists, that without having the real knowledge of their investigation. Because they are concluding that life started from matter, but there's no proof.
Prabhupāda: No proof. How they can say so?
If they accept that life started from life, then they'll have to accept God, the Supreme Person. Just like by practical experience we see one life is produced by another life. The father, mother begets a child. Not that a child drops from the sky. Their test tube experiment also depends on the father and mother. So what is that?
Where is the proof? In the test tube you mix some chemical and produce a child. Then your theory is all right. You cannot create even an ant, even a fly, and still you are claiming that you can manufacture human being?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: What they'll say manufacture means they will take a seed, that . . .
Prabhupāda: But that means that is not . . . originally, it is from life. Seed is from the life. So where is your proof that matter produces life? Then you have to accept: life produces life. According to our śāstra, within the semina of the father, the living body, living entity, takes shelter. And it is injected to the mother's womb, and the two matters mixes and the body forms. This is our śāstric explanation. Not that the semina discharged by the father, that is life. No. Within that semina, the living entity takes shelter. And it is put into favorable condition; then it develops the body.
This is . . . we, we find in Śrīmad-Bhāgavatam. That putting of the living entity in a particular type of semina depends on higher authorities. The higher authorities will judge what kind of body this living entity, after leaving this body, will get. So by higher authority it will be directed to enter into the semina of such father, and it will be injected in the womb of the mother. Then you'll get . . . develop a particular type of body and come out and suffer or enjoy. This is the process.
Brahmānanda: If that semina is misused or wasted, then that disrupts the plan of the authorities.
Brahmānanda: It's a serious matter.
Prabhupāda: Therefore this contraceptive method is sinful activity. Abortion, contraceptive method, this is against the, I mean to say, plan of the Supreme. Just like the government is making some plan, and if you spoil it, you are criminal. What is the time now?
Brahmānanda: Twenty of seven. Twenty minutes of seven.
Prabhupāda: So we can return now.
Brahmānanda: We have to go this way.
Prabhupāda: Which way?
Svarūpa Dāmodara: So their statement that life started from matter can be disproved very easily?
Prabhupāda: Oh, yes. Any child can disprove it. And that theory is also wrong that lower type of animals were first created. No. All different varieties were . . . all were existing.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Prabhupāda explains that in, in Bhagavad-gītā, in one of the purports.
Prabhupāda: Yes. Yes.
Svarūpa Dāmodara: Whatever desire the living entities had before the annihilation, that became the . . . the living entities enter into different bodies according to their . . .
Svarūpa Dāmodara: . . . desire.
Prabhupāda: He wanted a certain type of life, so nature gives him: "All right, take this body." He desires in a certain way means he's associating with the quality of nature in a method, and according to that association, he's getting a particular type of body. Mind. Mind is the creative force. Thinking. Thinking, feeling, willing, these are the psychological functions. So first of all thinking. Then it develops to work. And it is work you get a particular type of situation.
(break) One enters into the body of a pig. Then he'll have to go under the evolutionary process. Just like if you, if you are on the topmost staircase, somehow or other you fall down, then again you have to go step by step. This is the . . . the steps are always there. Not that the steps are created for you. No. The steps are already there.