Guest (2): Just one sentence, Prabhupāda. Another thing is they know they are taking body again and again. They are taking the body again and again after birth. Why they are committing again and again sins and which mode of nature...?
Prabhupāda: Because they do not know how to stop this process. That is mentioned in the Bhagavad-gītā. You can stop this. But these... Again rascals. They'll not take the method. Kṛṣṇa said that "If you simply try to understand Me," janma, "why I appear and why I come here and work," karma..., "they are divine." The divine nature of Kṛṣṇa's appearance, disappearance and activities, if one can understand, then immediately he becomes free from this process. Tyaktvā dehaṁ punar janma naiti (BG 4.9). But the rascals will not do that. They'll misunderstand Kṛṣṇa. They'll misdescribe Kṛṣṇa. They'll think, "Kṛṣṇa is ordinary man." Gandhi will say that "I don't think there was any person living as Kṛṣṇa." And he is mahātmā. These things are going on. Mahātmā is proving himself as the greatest rascal. This is your mahātmā, and what to speak of the durātmā. So you are being guided by these...
Guest (2): A lot of people in... Before I came to your temple in Toronto, in our family nobody is eating any meat. When I went West, I got it some, this point, and I was misguided by the different philosophies. So lot of misguiding and misled...
Prabhupāda: That is my rascaldom. Why I shall be misguided? I must know who is the right person.
Guest (2): They are fallen from. A lot of people in India, they have all misguided and misleading, their own adjusted, their own...
Prabhupāda: I have to gather knowledge from my superior. (Bengali) You came last night?
Guest (2): Ah, no, last evening.
Prabhupāda: Oh, last evening? What is your...?
Guest (2): He told to come at nine o'clock.
Prabhupāda: Ah, yes. What do you want to say?
Guest (2): I like, I like to join in the special (indistinct).
Prabhupāda: That's all right. You are welcome. You stay here with the devotees and learn.
Guest (2): I stayed in Madras for a month also.
Prabhupāda: So you are staying here now?
Guest (2): I'd like to take...
Prabhupāda: Yes, stay. Make arrangement that he can stay. That's all.
Haṁsadūta: You can stay. You can stay with us and...
Prabhupāda: As other devotees are staying, you can stay.
Guest (2): But, er...
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Guest (2): Akṣayānanda (?) Swami told me to come to Madras.
Prabhupāda: So go to Madras. Whatever you like. That's all.
Girl: (German)
Haṁsadūta: She says, "Therefore does it mean that the solution has to come from India?"
Prabhupāda: Yes. Solution has to come from Kṛṣṇa. The book is there, solution, Bhagavad-gītā. If you take it and practice it, the solution of all problems is there.
Girl: (German)
Prabhupāda: So you take any problem and find out the solution from Bhagavad-gītā.
Girl: (German)
Haṁsadūta: She says in the beginning it appears a little difficult to give up everything, but day by day, it becomes...
Prabhupāda: Where is the question of everything, giving up? It is to understand. First of all understand that what you are.
Haṁsadūta: (to girl) Understand?
Prabhupāda: First of all you have to understand that you are not this body. You are something beyond this body.
Girl: (German)
Haṁsadūta: She says we do not require as much as we like to believe we do. We do not require the things that we believe we require.
Prabhupāda: What is the meaning of this?
Haṁsadūta: (German)
Girl: (German)
Haṁsadūta: It means, it means apartment, furniture, money, family, and so many things. She says... She means that we don't require all these things.
Prabhupāda: I don't say that. I have never said that.
Haṁsadūta: (German)
Prabhupāda: But only for furniture and apartment, if you forget yourself and act in such a way, then next life you become a dog and lie on the street, then what is the use of your furniture? You are getting next life. First of all, you understand that, that "This is not the end of my life. I am eternal. I am changing my body." So it is described as dress. Now you may be dressed like a royal king. And next dress may be different. "May be" means it must be. And for the examples of the dresses—so many living entities. So you must be cautious that "What kind of dress I am going to have next?" (break) Where is that science? Where is that school, college? If you remain only confident that "I'll go on with this dress perpetually," that is not the fact. You'll have to change your dress. Tathā dehāntara-prāptiḥ (BG 2.13). But we have no knowledge that "What kind of dress I am going to have?" It is a fact. I have already changed dress. I had a child dress. I had a boy's dress. I had a young man dress. Now I have got old man's dress. Now, Kṛṣṇa says that, "This also, you'll have to change." So why I am not inquiring "What kind of dress I am going to have?" and "How I am changing this dress?" So young man doesn't want to become old man. That is a fact. But if a young man says, "No, no, I don't want old man's dress," will it be accepted? Nature will say, "No, you must accept." Where is the remedy for this? Why these rascals do not understand that "I am fully under the control of nature's law, and I am declaring free. I am becoming philosopher"? He's fully under the control of nature's law. You have read Bhagavad-gītā. It is said, prakṛteḥ kriyamāṇāni guṇaiḥ karmaṇi sarvaśaḥ (BG 3.27). You are fully under the control of the laws of nature, and still you are thinking "I am independent. There is no superior controller." What is this nonsense? Hm? What is the answer?
Haṁsadūta: (German)
Prabhupāda: Is it not foolish? You appreciate that you are under the control of material nature, and still, you are thinking independent. What is this nonsense?
Girl: Yes.
Haṁsadūta: Yes.
Prabhupāda: Hm? I am in the prison house, and the prison superintendent is controlling me fully, and if I say, "I don't care for anyone," what is this nonsense? Even in ordinary life, if somebody says, "I don't care for government laws. I shall do whatever I like," is it very good sense? Similarly, you are fully under the control of material nature, and you are declaring independence. You should, rather, consider that "Why I have been put under the control of material nature? I don't want it. I don't want to be diseased. But why disease is forced upon me? I don't want to become old man. Why it is forced upon me? I don't want to die. Why death is forced upon me?" These should be the proper questions. But instead of questioning this, he's thinking, "I am independent." How much foolish he is.
Girl: (German)
Haṁsadūta: So, she says, so the solution for the world is Kṛṣṇa consciousness?
Prabhupāda: Hm? Yes. Therefore we are pushing on this movement, to make the rascals intelligent. That's all. The whole world is full of rascals, and we want to make them intelligent. This is our Kṛṣṇa consciousness movement.
Girl: (German)
Haṁsadūta: Ja.
Girl: (German)
Prabhupāda: When we call them rascals, they become angry. And actually they are rascals. They do not know the problems of life.