Prabhupāda: Yes. (break) Jagat... Jagat-tāriṇī.
Bhava-bhūti: Oh yes.
Prabhupāda: What is the name, Jagat-tāriṇī?
Viśākhā: Dīna-tāriṇī?
Prabhupāda: No, no, Jagat-tāriṇī?
Bhava-bhūti: Jagat-tāriṇī, yes.
Prabhupāda: Who...
Bhava-bhūti: And Bhūrijana.
Prabhupāda: He married Jagat-tāriṇī. She was a famous artist. So she came to me to surrender, that "I shall become your disciple."
Guest (1): The paintings which was...
Prabhupāda: Eh?
Guest (1): She was painting in that film?
Prabhupāda: No, no. She is another girl. She's Jadurāṇī. So this Jagat-tāriṇī, after some days, I asked her that "You go to Japan. There is my disciple, Bhūrijana. You go and marry him." So she did not see the boy, did not know anything about. And she was very rich. Still, on my order, she went to Japan and married that boy.
Dr. Patel: And is she unhappy?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Very happy.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest (1): That's guru-vacana.
Dr. Patel: No, no. That guru and... Gurudeva... (break)
Prabhupāda: No. I did not like my wife. Still, I had to marry her. (laughter)
Dr. Patel: And you had not bad days all your life. Or you were quarreling? I am sorry to intrude.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Were you?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: So you are quarrelsome even now. (laughter)
Prabhupāda: My wife... I admit she's very nice lady. But I did not like her. (break) ...if he becomes so, he cannot become Aurobindo Ghosh. If he becomes attached to the wife up to the point of death, he never becomes Aurobindo Ghosh.
Guest (1): Tulasī dāsa, also, the same thing happened. No? Everywhere...
Dr. Patel: I was attached to my wife. And I used to quarrel every day.
Prabhupāda: Quarreling between husband and wife, that is natural. That is explained in the Cāṇakya Paṇḍita... Dam-patye kalahe caiva bambhārambhe laghu kriyā (?). The quarreling will be very humbug, big, but the result will be nothing.
Dr. Patel: Nothing. These American boys, they quarrel with their wives. The next day...
Prabhupāda: Because there is no...
Guest (1): They will immediately quarrel.
Dr. Patel: No, no, no. Here, because the Hindu... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...quarrel, my wife never thought of any other man; neither I thought of any other woman.
Dr. Patel: Why? Because of the background.
Prabhupāda: Although we fought, but there was no such thing. (break) Fighting is natural. This is fight of love. This is not fight... Therefore Cāṇakya Paṇḍita has said, "Neglect this fighting. Don't take it seriously." Dam-patye kalahe bambhārambhe laghu kriyā (?). This should not be... Quarrel between husband and wife should not be taken seriously. Let them fight. It will stop automatically. That's all.
Dr. Patel: He said, now we have... (break)
Prabhupāda: ...wasting time in social... Yes.
Dr. Patel: In wasting time in grāmya-kathā.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Dr. Patel: Grāmya-vārttā.
Prabhupāda: Very good. It is a good suggestion. We should utilize the time for spiritual advancement.
Dr. Patel: (Hindi) Even sometimes... We already discussed. (break)
Prabhupāda: ...discussion on any śloka. Let us discuss.