Guest: Is modern science materialism, Prabhupāda? Is it materialism?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest: All, all materialism?
Prabhupāda: Just dealing with earth, water, air, fire, sky. That's all.
Guest: And in this time, modern science, you know, physics, chemistry, mathematics; is this all materialism?
Prabhupāda: All materialism.
Guest: All materialism.
Prabhupāda: They do not know what is spiritual.
Guest: And inside these people doing this work, is it Kṛṣṇa? Or what is it makes them do the work?
Prabhupāda: No. The soul is a living being. So nature is supplying material and he's molding in different forms. Just like earth is not man's creation. Earth is God's creation, or it is product of God's energy. But we are using this earth and molding in different forms, different pots, different dolls. So ingredients are supplied by God. Nature means God's energy. We simply handle them. We cannot produce anything, we transform only. Just like this iron, we cannot produce iron. It is gotten from the mine, iron bar. Now we have transformed into different forms. Because we have got creative energy like God, not very great, in very minute quantity. So as God has created by His intelligence, the whole universe—we are creating this table, this pillow, this harmonium—that's all. What you are finding?
Śrutakīrti: I was just looking at that verse again.
Prabhupāda: Which verse?
Śrutakīrti: Mayādhyakṣeṇa...
Prabhupāda: Oh.
- mayādhyakṣeṇa prakṛtiḥ
- sūyate sa-carācaram
- hetunānena kaunteya
- jagad viparivartate
- (BG 9.10)
The Bhagavad-gītā is the perfect information of everything. One has to study carefully, that's all. It is perfect information. And you can accept it with your good logic. Not that blindly you accept. Now just like Kṛṣṇa says: "The material elements are My energy." Now you can consider, you can argue, you can make argument, you'll come to the conclusion. Just like material elements, water, the vast water. The ocean, Atlantic Ocean, vast water. So it is created by God's energy. How can you explain with your argument? Because it is said there, Kṛṣṇa says, that "This is My energy." Now, if you accept it, it is all right. But if you have got hesitation, what is your reason?
Guest: Because one man says one thing and one man says another thing. So many people have different things to say.
Prabhupāda: No, personally. Suppose I ask you. What is your, you want to ask me?
Haṁsadūta: You have, that letter has a return address from Maṇḍalībhadra?
Prabhupāda: Yes, it is here. Now the water... Just like from your body, water is produced, is it not?
Guest: Transformed?
Prabhupāda: Transformed or whatever, but you see urine is coming, perspiration is coming. So these different waters are produced by your energy within the body. So why not from God's energy the vast water?
Guest: Yes, truly.
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest: But why should he give us...
Prabhupāda: Because God is unlimited, He has got unlimited energy. have got limited energy. I can pass urine, say one pound, I can have perspiration say, one ounce but if God likes He can produce unlimited water. Why this one Atlantic Ocean? Many millions of Atlantic Oceans He can produce. Water produced from His body. So where is the difficulty to understand? When Kṛṣṇa says that the elements... Other matters are growing. Just like the hair. Now, today, I have shaved. Three days after, again it will grow. So I have got my energy within by which I'm constantly growing. But, hair is a material thing. So anything you take, it grows from the Supreme. It is very easy to understand.
Guest: Hmm. And ah, this inside, it grows because of Kṛṣṇa does it?
Prabhupāda: Everything is growing on account of Kṛṣṇa. Your body, inside or outside, it is made of these five elements: earth, water, air, fire, like that. It is nothing but combination of these five elements.
Guest: Is the water inside the same as the water in the ocean?
Prabhupāda: Yes.
Guest: It's the same water.
Prabhupāda: Yes. You... Have you tasted ever perspiration?
Guest: Hmm?
Prabhupāda: Perspiration, have you tasted?
Guest: Tasted it, yes, salt.
Prabhupāda: Salt, yes.
Guest: Ocean, yes.
Prabhupāda: It has got.
Guest: But one ocean is not the same as another eh? My business is mathematics. It's not very transcendental.
Prabhupāda: You are teacher?
Guest: No, not anymore. It's not very transcendental.
Śrutakīrti: He's asking if his business is transcendental.
Prabhupāda: No, if it is used for Kṛṣṇa, then it is transcendental. If it is used for your sense gratification, then it is material. That is the difference.