Prabhupāda: The knowledge is already there in the Vedic literature, but there was no discussion, at least in the Western countries. So I am trying to . . . we have got so many books, eighty-four books, writing on this science. (aside) Show him our books. They are being accepted by high learned circles. (break) . . . written not jokingly. It is a great science.
Mike Barron: Where do you . . . you might think this unusual. Where does it come from, though?
Prabhupāda: The Vedas, Vedic literature.
Mike Barron: What goes into this?
Prabhupāda: Vedas. Vedic literature: Sāma, Yajur, Ṛg, Atharva, Upaniṣad, then Bhāgavata, Bhagavad-gītā, so many. There is no cultivation of this knowledge.
Devotee (3): If we could . . . if we put the stool up here, and then you can sit on facing that way, Mike?
Mike Barron: Hmm.
Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: I'll do it.
Prabhupāda: How people are advanced? They should take very seriously.
Devotee (3): So he can sit and face that way.
Gurukṛpā: Maybe you can take one picture of our books when you go.
Mike Barron: Yes, well, due to problems that do occur from time to time, we . . . you know, what people consider to be the false guru. Is that all right with you?
Prabhupāda: Yes, any . . . guru means the teacher. So if the teacher does not give you real knowledge, then he is not teacher, he is cheater.
Mike Barron: And there are some around.
Prabhupāda: Almost everyone, because they do not know what is the subject matter of teaching. The subject matter of teaching is beginning with this understanding, that life is different from matter. That is the beginning, A-B-C-D. So if your basic knowledge is wrong, then what is the use of going further? It is all false knowledge.
Mike Barron: So there are a lot of these people who do that, false knowledge?
Prabhupāda: That is . . . that you have to consider, that it is a fact. And the yoga system is meant . . . this is the real yoga system, that because we are on the false understanding, identifying with the body, so the bodily function should be controlled, and concentration or focus should be placed, "What is that living condition?" That is yoga, or meditation, to find out what is the real . . . analyze this body and find out where is the living pulse. And that is real yoga system: to control the senses. The senses are working. Now we are getting knowledge through the senses. How to get this knowledge of the living force? That, a mechanical arrangement, that is called yoga system.
Cameraman: Somebody move up.
Mike Barron: Yes. (aside to cameraman) Do you have a two-shot, or do you want to get that afterwards?
Cameraman: Yeah, I'll get to that. You're going to have to keep out my front as much as you can. Don't . . . (talks about filming) Okay, Mike. Go three from now.
Mike Barron: Can you tell us a little bit about Kṛṣṇa consciousness, what it does mean?
Prabhupāda: Just like the living force within the body, that is the most important thing, similarly, throughout this creation, cosmic manifestation, Kṛṣṇa is the most important thing.
Mike Barron: Are you happy with the way the Kṛṣṇa movement is progressing throughout the world, and particularly throughout Australia?
Prabhupāda: Well, we are progressing very slow because the subject matter is so difficult that even big, big scientists, big, big professors, they are puzzled. So you cannot expect. But those who are fortunate and . . . they are understanding. So this progress, we cannot expect a mass people will understand immediately, but if one person understands, he can act very tremendously to educate the people on this matter. Just like the example is that to illuminate the sky it does not require millions of stars. One moon is sufficient.
Mike Barron: What is the biggest obstacle for people to overcome?
Prabhupāda: Their dullness. They are not being educated, but they are putting into the darkness of ignorance more and more. That is going on in the name of education.