Jayatīrtha: If they were actually going to the moon planet, then they could enjoy the soma juice there . . . (indistinct)
Prabhupāda: These rascals are . . . I'm doubtful whether they are going to moon planet or some hell planet. Hare Kṛṣṇa. Harāv abhaktasya kuto mahad-guṇā (SB 5.18.12). Our only formula is anyone who is not Kṛṣṇa conscious, he has no good qualities—we reject him, whatever he may be. He is rejected from the list of good men immediately. He may be president or he may be this or that, it doesn't matter. Because he is not Kṛṣṇa conscious, he is a third-class man, that's all. This is our certification. (break)
These skyscraper buildings are no better than caves. They live here, and here is bathroom, here is kitchen, here is bedding room, three inches. (laughter) Is that advanced civilization? Advanced civilization means every man must have sufficient space to move.
(aside) Good morning.
Why do you create this path? People will recreate, they will feel repressed. So space is required for refreshment. So what is this civilization? Three-inches room. (break)
Jayatīrtha: (indistinct) . . . as man progresses, the mark of his progression is his ability to use tools to a greater extent. Like there was the Stone Age. In the Stone Age, they used stones for tools. Then there was the Bronze Age, so they made weapons out of bronze—knives and so on. Then they invented the wheel.
Prabhupāda: Iron age.
Jayatīrtha: So as their science progressed, then they progressed, progressed their lives, and were able to utilize nature.
Prabhupāda: So what is that progress? The caves are still there, somebody is living here. Then where is the progress? As the caves are sti