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About Lord Caitanya's civil disobedience. That is with the Kazi? His civil disobedience?

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Conversations and Morning Walks

1969 Conversations and Morning Walks

Then the police also came and broke the mṛdaṅgas forcibly. Then Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, "All right. We shall start thousands of men playing mṛdaṅga, and we shall go to the house of Kazi. Let us see what can he do." So He went with many followers, and many followers playing mṛdaṅga, and Kazi became afraid that "The people have become agitated." So he fled away.


Lord Caitanya Play Told to Tamala Krsna -- August 4, 1969, Los Angeles:

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Maybe . . . about Lord Caitanya's civil disobedience. That is with the Kazi? His civil disobedience?

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: That is the Kazi.

Prabhupāda: Yes.

Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Do you have any . . . I read the Introduction. There is a lot of material on it. Maybe some other things that we can . . .

Prabhupāda: You can make scene that people, His disciples, are performing kīrtana, and one scene you can make Kazi, Muslim magistrate, is sitting, and the Brāhmiṇs, they come, "Sir, you are our protector. You are Kazi. You are magistrate. And this Nimāi Paṇḍita, young boy, He is creating so much disturbance." "What is that?" "He has begun this chanting Hare Kṛṣṇa. This is not our Hindu religion. He is chanting so loudly. Now this is the time God is sleeping, so He'll be disturbed. So the whole society will be vanquished if God becomes angry. So He'll be disturbed."

So Kazi . . . after all, Hindus are complaining. So Kazi said: "All right, I am taking steps." So he sent some officers, and they were playing mṛdaṅga, and warned that, "You cannot do this. You are disturbing here." That is going on still. Just like our Los Angeles, it is going on. In New York also, they complain to the Kazi, (laughs) police officer. But they could not do anything. So this complaint is going on since the inauguration of the saṅkīrtana movement.

So Kazi first of all warned. Then He did not care. Then the police also came and broke the mṛdaṅgas forcibly. Then Caitanya Mahāprabhu said: "All right. We shall start thousands of men playing mṛdaṅga, and we shall go to the house of Kazi. Let us see what can he do." So He went with many followers, and many followers playing mṛdaṅga, and Kazi became afraid that, "The people have become agitated." So he fled away. Then the people began to create disturbance in his garden. Caitanya Mahāprabhu said, "Don't do this."

Then Kazi came back, and Kazi was very submissive, and he said: "My dear Nimāi, You are in relationship my nephew." Because Hindus and Muslims in those days, although they had different religions, they had no animosity. They were living very friendly. So the Muslim elderly man will be said by the Hindus as chāchā. And the Muslims they'll call ṭhākura mosai. Like that. Friendly terms. They will invite. In this way they were living.

So the Kazi said that, "Your grandfather, I call him chāchā. He's elderly man. So Your mother is my sister. So You are my nephew. So do you think a nephew can be very angry upon his uncle?" And (chuckling) He said: "No, nephew must be obedient to the uncle. But do You think that uncle, when a nephew comes to his house, will not receive him?" "Oh, yes. You are welcome. You are my nephew. You are my son." In this way the past incidences forgotten. Then they sat down.

Then Caitanya Mahāprabhu asked him, "My dear uncle, what is your religion that you are killing father and mother?" "Why killing father and mother?" "Oh, you are killing cow, your mother. You are drinking milk. And oxen, he produces grains for you in the field; so he is your father. The father earns for the children, so he is producing grains. And mother gives milk; so cow is giving milk. So how is your religion that the father-mother killing?" Then he could understand that Caitanya is marking on the cow-killing by the Muhammadans.

Then he said: "Oh, this cow-killing is also in your Hindu religion." Then He said: "How is that, Hindu religion cow-killing?" "Oh, there is cow sacrifice." Then He said that, "Cow sacrifice is not like this. Cow sacrifice is giving new life to the old cow. That is cow sacrifi . . . it is not killing." And because at the present moment the Brāhmiṇs are not so qualified that they can give new life, therefore that sacrifice is now forbidden. He cited some verses from Vedic literature that cow sacrifice and horse sacrifice, and to beget children by the younger brother of husband, and sannyāsa, and offering oblations with meat, these things are forbidden. So that is past. This is . . . now it has no significance.

In this way, both of them were scholars. Then they compromised. Agreement was that, the Kazi gave order every one of his descendants that "Nobody will check this saṅkīrtana movement." So that order is being carried by their descendants still there in Nabadwip. The Kazi has got his tomb. He was very big man.